Here we go again-Ukraine once again

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US and Russian defence ministers discuss Ukraine in rare talks

The US and Russian defence secretaries have spoken in a phone call, in a rare moment of high-level contact between the two countries since Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

US Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin and his Russian counterpart Sergei Shoigu spoke on Friday, the two countries confirmed.

Both sides said the situation in Ukraine was discussed.

It is the first time they have spoken since a call on 13 May.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63348743

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I had a closer look on the maps, regarding the riverways. What irritates me is that Putin on the one hand wants to keep the Krimea and before the war has accused Ukraine to have interruopted water supply for it (Kriema depnds on Ukriane for sweet water supply for the fertile famrign spoils it has), but that if he blows up that dam, the river leading from the Diniepr down to Krimea would run dry. The waster supply for Crimea then would come to an lastign end. Does htis mean her has already givne up Crimea?

I dont think so.

Which means the dam threta is just this: a threat.

The Ukraine however cannot afford to just assume that. If the Ukraine has thousands of troops and major parts of its combat equipment in Cherson and then the yget overflooded and drowned, a signficant part of its military power will be destroyed. I could imagien that this is a trap the Russian mount when their top egnerla recently reinterate dbow desperate the situation is and that Russia must be prepared to pull out (he did not say it, but implied it). If its a trap, the trap lies in luring the Ukrainians into Cherson and the surrounding area with significant parts of their combat power, and then annihilating it there by destroying the dam and drown them.


I think its just anotehr threat, but nobody can afford to just take it as that. One must deal with it as if it were serious. Anything else would be an insane gamble.

That is why the dam will be the first goal to take in any Ukraine offensive, Russians also seen digging trenches on Crimea Kherson border maybe they really do not want a second hasty chaotic retreat like before and pulling troops out of Kherson to defend Crimea.

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German Foreign Ministry considers actions of Russian military in Ukraine to be genocide

The German government believes that official Kyiv should insist in international courts that Russia committed genocide during its aggression in Ukraine.

As Censor.NET informs regarding European Pravda, this was stated by the Minister of State for Foreign Affairs of Germany, Member of the Bundestag Tobias Lindner at the conference "International Law Against Genocide" held in Berlin by the Center for Liberal Modernity (LibMod).

"The crimes being committed now should be qualified as genocide, and with such qualification, they should be brought to court. And only then should the court decide whether these are crimes against humanity or genocide," he said.

"The President of Russia has repeatedly denied the existence of Ukraine and Ukrainians," the politician recalled, explaining that it was about genocide.

As an example of a genocidal war episode, he cited the carpet bombing and other destruction of civilians in Mariupol.

"We know that many people were killed in Mariupol, and those who remained have no electricity, no food, no water. How can we evaluate this crime?" he explained.

Lindner also considers the mass deportation of Ukrainian children to Russia an episode of genocide.

"We are talking about the abduction of Ukrainian children, when they were placed in families with Russian parents for so-called adoption," the state minister explained.

Tobias Lindner emphasized that Germany "knows very well what genocide is" because it has a similar sad page in its history. He also added that the punishment of the leaders of the Russian Federation for this crime is very important so that such a crime does not happen again - just as Germany and the leaders of the Third Reich were punished.

"The Nuremberg Tribunal was a gift that helped our country. 22 Nazis were found guilty," he added. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375335

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

I kinda think the Russians are in Belarus primarily to quell any potential uprisings and keep Lukashcenka in power.

Yes, Lukashenko is not so confident that he stays in power without buttbuddy Putin

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Dargo

That is why the dam will be the first goal to take in any Ukraine offensive, Russians also seen digging trenches on Crimea Kherson border maybe they really do not want a second hasty chaotic retreat like before and pulling troops out of Kherson to defend Crimea.

If they did a proper job with mining that dam, the blowing up is only a button-press away. No czhance to take them by surprise - if they are not totally incapable. I would assume they have not assigned new conscripts for that task, but something like spetznatz or other skilled, trained specialists. Not all Russian soldiers are idiots or poor village boys.


Its like me sitting in a room in the upper floor with the thumb on the light switch, troops in every room aroudn and below and patrols outside, and you being outside, wanting to get to me and saying Booh! before I can flip that switch.

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Belarus has no intention of war with anyone, - Lukashenko

The self-proclaimed president of Belarus, Oleksandr Lukashenko, said that Belarus does not need any war today.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the Belarusian mass media.

"Don't pay attention to this howling. We are not going anywhere today. There is no war today. We don't need it," the Belarusian dictator emphasized.

Lukashenko added that everyone should do their own thing "if we want there to be no war." Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375330

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Russia deliberately delays ships carrying Ukrainian grain, - Zelenskyi. VIDEO

Address of President Volodymyr Zelenskyi to Ukrainian citizens at an end of day 240 of full-scale war with Russia.

The correspondent videо was posted by President's press office, informs Censor.NЕТ.

"The situation around the grain export initiative is becoming more and more tense these weeks. The enemy is doing everything to slow down our food exports. Today, more than 150 vessels are in line to fulfill contractual obligations to supply our agricultural products. This is a man-made queue. It arose only because Russia deliberately delays the passage of ships.

Every day that grain ships stand in the queue means an increase in social and political tension in the countries that consume our agricultural products. During the work of our grain initiative, we have short-exported about 3 million tons of agricultural products due to the Russian inhibition. And this is the annual consumption for 10 million people.

Russia is doing everything to ensure that at least hundreds of thousands of these people become forced migrants who will seek asylum in Turkey or in the EU countries, or die of starvation. And we and our partners must do everything to ensure that the grain initiative not only survives, but also works at 100 percent capacity," Zelenskyi said. Source: https://censor.net/en/v3375421

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Ukraine does not have anti-missile and anti-aircraft defense against Iran’s ballistic missiles - Air Force

Ukraine has no means of countering Iranian ballistic missiles, which may appear in the arsenal of the Russian army, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine are working on this.

Yuriy Ignat, the spokesman of the Air Force of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, said this at a briefing on October 21, reports Censor.NET with reference to Liga.net.

"Unfortunately, there is information that Russia will strengthen itself through ballistics. I want to note that, as our MLRS experts say, the best defense against ballistic missiles is to destroy them where they stand or on the way. It is necessary to hide because an aeroballistic missile flies from above and falls at a tremendous speed," Ignat said.

He emphasized that Ukraine currently has no means of anti-missile and anti-aircraft defense to counteract this weapon, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine are looking for methods.

"Iran is likely to supply [ballistic missiles] unless there is some mechanism in the world to stop those supplies," an Air Force spokesman said.

From the "positive," Ignat singled out the fact that such supplies indicate a shortage of ballistic missiles in the Russian army. Missiles of this type - "Iskander-M" - are located in the Kaliningrad region of the Russian Federation and on the territory of Belarus.

"Ballistic weapons are not something new for us, they constantly strike with these missiles, and the fact that they are already in short supply in Russia is good news. We would not ask Iran for that," Ignat said, stressing that Iranian missiles significantly lose to Russia in terms of technical characteristics. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375342

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

German Foreign Ministry considers actions of Russian military in Ukraine to be genocide

The German government believes that official Kyiv should insist in international courts that Russia committed genocide during its aggression in Ukraine.

As Censor.NET informs regarding European Pravda, this was stated by the Minister of State for Foreign Affairs of Germany, Member of the Bundestag Tobias Lindner at the conference "International Law Against Genocide" held in Berlin by the Center for Liberal Modernity (LibMod).

"The crimes being committed now should be qualified as genocide, and with such qualification, they should be brought to court. And only then should the court decide whether these are crimes against humanity or genocide," he said.

"The President of Russia has repeatedly denied the existence of Ukraine and Ukrainians," the politician recalled, explaining that it was about genocide.

As an example of a genocidal war episode, he cited the carpet bombing and other destruction of civilians in Mariupol.

"We know that many people were killed in Mariupol, and those who remained have no electricity, no food, no water. How can we evaluate this crime?" he explained.

Lindner also considers the mass deportation of Ukrainian children to Russia an episode of genocide.

"We are talking about the abduction of Ukrainian children, when they were placed in families with Russian parents for so-called adoption," the state minister explained.

Tobias Lindner emphasized that Germany "knows very well what genocide is" because it has a similar sad page in its history. He also added that the punishment of the leaders of the Russian Federation for this crime is very important so that such a crime does not happen again - just as Germany and the leaders of the Third Reich were punished.

"The Nuremberg Tribunal was a gift that helped our country. 22 Nazis were found guilty," he added. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375335

It IS genocide, absolkutely zero doubt. There are legally binding defintion sof what is genocide (and what not), it goes beiynd just the immediate killing in huge scores, I have no dohbt that it is genocide. 100% saure. But the coaltion government in Germany is split on this, Bubble-Olaf will be extrneely hesitent (when is he not) not call it that while the Green party abse is more open to thiis call. The point is if a goivenrment calls something goneicde it is under mandatory, binding legal obligaiton to reatc to it accortdingly, that is also incldued in the anti-genocide convention, and that is the reaosn why gencodies spo foten do not get called "gencoide", becasue givernment want to avoid these obligations, and certainly the German one wants to avoid it in this case, at any cost.



Its not fair, its not just and its not right. But nations, ALL nations, are egoists, first and foremost.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Skybird

If they did a proper job with mining that dam, the blowing up is only a button-press away. No czhance to take them by surprise - if they are not totally incapable. I would assume they have not assigned new conscripts for that task, but something like spetznatz or other skilled, trained specialists. Not all Russian soldiers are idiots or poor village boys.


Its like me sitting in a room in the upper floor with the thumb on the light switch, troops in every room aroudn and below and patrols outside, and you being outside, wanting to get to me and saying Booh! before I can flip that switch.

Problem is Russians got +20 BTG's in the flooding area, they will lose veteran BTG's that is also reason for slow offensive there this kind and size is not present on any other front if they do this they lose their best troops.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Dargo

Problem is Russians got +20 BTG's in the flooding area, they will lose veteran BTG's that is also reason for slow offensive there this kind and size is not present on any other front if they do this they lose their best troops.

Since when do they care...?

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Since when do they care...?

Because this will create huge problems on other fronts and in Russia this will not receive applause these troops are the best and all they got left to defend Crimea.

[Rockstar]

She hits the nail squarely on the head.

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