US Politics Thread 2021-24 - Page 297

Buddahaid · 11-11-22, 12:09 AM

No, I don't, but I think it was a formality and it was Garland, not Biden, pushing it.

Rockstar · 11-11-22, 08:10 AM

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The point is it isn't a trivia burger and I don't believe I ever read any of your "headlines" anywhere. Pretty much anyone but Trump would now be arguing from inside a jail cell. He made the dung pie and now whines because he has to eat it.

Every media event, committee, accusation and investigation leading up to this event has been nothing burgers, boondoggles, dog and pony shows. It’s all been created and dreamed up in peoples heads by creative writing and tv drama. But not this one huh? Ya got’em now! Holdin’ on tight to that one are ya? You never know though, even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.

u crank · 11-11-22, 12:00 PM

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C'mon now, you can't seriously be arguing that Garland or any other Attorney General would have raided the house of a former US President without the knowledge and approval of his boss in the White House.

Exactly. What an embarrasing moment in US history. The sad thing is no one on the left sees that event as something bad. What's next? The Democrats see nothing wrong with the use of force to further their agenda.

I don't believe for one second that Garland didn't run this by the Chief Executive, his boss. And if he didn't what does that say about him? It was one thing to do that to Roger Stone, but a recent sitting President. It clearly shows that Biden, Garland, the DOJ and the FBI are now the American version of the KGB.

Buddahaid · 11-11-22, 12:05 PM

Your words, not mine.

Apparently a new GOP plan to win in 2024 is raising the voting age back to 21 to keep those 16 somethings away from the polls. Too bad it's fixed in the 26th amendment.

https://constitution.congress.gov/co.../amendment-26/

Rockstar · 11-11-22, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Your words, not mine.

Apparently a new GOP plan to win in 2024 is raising the voting age back to 21 to keep those 16 somethings away from the polls. Too bad it's fixed in the 26th amendment.

https://constitution.congress.gov/co.../amendment-26/

This talk of raising the voting age back to the original age of 21 has been going on since it was lowered to 18 in 1971.

As an adult looking back to the time when I was 18 years old, it’s probably not a bad idea to consider as this 2018 opinion points out.

https://thefederalist.com/2018/02/27...g-age-back-21/

u crank · 11-11-22, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Apparently a new GOP plan to win in 2024 is raising the voting age back to 21 to keep those 16 somethings away from the polls.

What Republican law maker is saying this? And what chance would a law like this have of clearing the President's desk before the 2024 election?

Buddahaid · 11-11-22, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

This talk of raising the voting age back to the original age of 21 has been going on since it was lowered to 18 in 1971.

As an adult looking back to the time when I was 18 years old, it’s probably not a bad idea to consider as this 2018 opinion points out.

https://thefederalist.com/2018/02/27...g-age-back-21/

As an adult looking back to the time I was 18, I recall the drive behind it was if you were old enough to be drafted and die in Vietnam, you were old enough to vote for those who sent you there.

Rockstar · 11-11-22, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

As an adult looking back to the time I was 18, I recall the drive behind it was if you were old enough to be drafted and die in Vietnam, you were old enough to vote for those who sent you there.

Yes that was the reason, but it doesn’t make 18 year olds any more mature or knowledgeable. Tuff call. Even so, I don’t ever expect it to change no matter what the tv drama and creative writers would have me or you to believe. It’s another nothing burger.

les green01 · 11-11-22, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Your words, not mine.

Apparently a new GOP plan to win in 2024 is raising the voting age back to 21 to keep those 16 somethings away from the polls. Too bad it's fixed in the 26th amendment.

https://constitution.congress.gov/co.../amendment-26/

and according to biden and some dems every article of the consitution including the bill of rights can be change revoke or pee away if we don't like it

Rockstar · 11-11-22, 07:07 PM

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and according to biden and some dems every article of the consitution including the bill of rights can be change revoke or pee away if we don't like it

Riiiight.

Looks like everyone is serving up nothing burgers today.

les green01 · 11-11-22, 11:01 PM

“I respect the culture and the tradition and the concerns of lawful gun owners, Biden said from the White House. “At the same time, the Second Amendment, like all other rights, is not absolute.”

Dowly · 11-11-22, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by les green01

“I respect the culture and the tradition and the concerns of lawful gun owners, Biden said from the White House. “At the same time, the Second Amendment, like all other rights, is not absolute.”

He's 100% correct, so what's the problem?

Rockstar · 11-11-22, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by les green01

“I respect the culture and the tradition and the concerns of lawful gun owners, Biden said from the White House. “At the same time, the Second Amendment, like all other rights, is not absolute.”

He has a point, most rights do indeed have limits particularly when they collide with the rights of others. You have a constitional right to bear arms. Until you unlawfully brandish it which I think is illegal in all 51 states because it may cause others to become afraid. Then take for instance slavery, it is unlawful for anyone to enslave you. But guess what happens when you are convicted of a crime and sent to prison for brandishing a legally purchased firearm in public disturbing the peace and causing fear and panic? Your constitutional right to freedom just ended with the drop of the judges hammer and you become enslaved.

Read the entire sentence. Biden said he respected the culture, tradition and the concerns of LAWFUL gun owners. (That’s a good thing for any president to say regardless of party affiliation). Then the part where he says “At the same time, the Second Amendment, like all other rights, is not absolute.” Which is lawyer legalese speak for, don’t break the law because if you do. Not even the second amendment can save you. At least that’s what I got out of it.

August · 11-12-22, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

He has a point, most rights do indeed have limits particularly when they collide with the rights of others. You have a constitional right to bear arms. Until you unlawfully brandish it which I think is illegal in all 51 states because it may cause others to become afraid. Then take for instance slavery, it is unlawful for anyone to enslave you. But guess what happens when you are convicted of a crime and sent to prison for brandishing a legally purchased firearm in public disturbing the peace and causing fear and panic? Your constitutional right to freedom just ended with the drop of the judges hammer and you become enslaved.

Read the entire sentence. Biden said he respected the culture, tradition and the concerns of LAWFUL gun owners. (That’s a good thing for any president to say regardless of party affiliation). Then the part where he says “At the same time, the Second Amendment, like all other rights, is not absolute.” Which is lawyer legalese speak for, don’t break the law because if you do. Not even the second amendment can save you. At least that’s what I got out of it.

What I took from that is Biden thinks constitutionally guaranteed rights can be infringed upon. He's talked repeatedly about gun bans and other infringements. I don't buy at all that he was referring to law breakers.

mapuc · 11-12-22, 07:12 AM

I've mentioned it before. According to your 2nd Amendment you are allowed to carry a weapon.

Nowhere in the 2nd Amendment can I read what kind of weapon it has to be. Which for me indicate that it's up to you to decide what kind of weapon you want. On the other hand it also give the government carte blanche to add law to your 2nd Amendment saying Americans are free to carry only 9 mm pistol. Owner of bigger gun has to go through exercise and other things(Here I'm thinking psychological test and other test)

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Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,561 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	No, I don't, but I think it was a formality and it was Garland, not Biden, pushing it. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

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Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,561 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	Your words, not mine. Apparently a new GOP plan to win in 2024 is raising the voting age back to 21 to keep those 16 somethings away from the polls. Too bad it's fixed in the 26th amendment. https://constitution.congress.gov/co.../amendment-26/ __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

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les green01 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Freeman Missouri Posts: 1,735 Downloads: 1375 Uploads: 0	“I respect the culture and the tradition and the concerns of lawful gun owners, Biden said from the White House. “At the same time, the Second Amendment, like all other rights, is not absolute.” __________________ I'll tell you what bravery really is. Bravery is just determination to do a job that you know has to be done. Audie Murphy

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mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,922 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	I've mentioned it before. According to your 2nd Amendment you are allowed to carry a weapon. Nowhere in the 2nd Amendment can I read what kind of weapon it has to be. Which for me indicate that it's up to you to decide what kind of weapon you want. On the other hand it also give the government carte blanche to add law to your 2nd Amendment saying Americans are free to carry only 9 mm pistol. Owner of bigger gun has to go through exercise and other things(Here I'm thinking psychological test and other test) Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat