GWX4 (Grey Wolves eXpansion Mod) - Page 15

Hitman · 08-25-09, 05:37 AM

I think many people here are forgetting something worth mentioning: SH4 is different to SH3, yes, but they have a common base and many development tools are shared (Silent Editor, etc.), while in SH5 we have, according to the announcement "Full new code".

The experience gained by the old SH3 modders, and particularly by the GWX guys with those both sims is incredible, having achieved things that even the own Devs hadn't thought about. I guess that SH5 will have in that sense its own steep learning curve for modders, so nobody can say that a GWX5 would come just a few months after the SH5 release.

Then, my experience as modder with the venerable Pacific Aces also shows me that a good modding team is like a greased machine, operating swiftly and with an objective, but that stopping it generates rust and kills the working pace. I guess that putting GWX4 on hold and waiting for SH5 end version and starting again would mean losing a good amount of the team, who will fade away in other projects. You can't have so many talented people without doing something, that's a fact I learned long ago.

Add to all the previous the probably killer PC you will need to run SH5, and you get a good picture of why GWX4 is still worth continuing, even if the scope of it is somewhat reduced (Not the quality of the product) if KL sees fit.

Jimbuna · 08-25-09, 08:51 AM

@dmlavan....High praise indeed.....thanks

@mookie...LMAO

@FIREWALL....Does KL have you on pay

@Hitman...Food for thought

To all...Till Sunday

Subsim Monitor · 08-25-09, 02:58 PM

One thing we appreciate here is the respect shown concerning this topic. Thanks, guys, all of you.

difool2 · 08-25-09, 04:25 PM

I don't think anybody's done a SH3 campaign as comprehensive as RSRDC for SH4. I assume that the GWX 4 campaign will be getting an almost complete rewrite, hopefully focused on realism? If so one thing I would like to see is having friendly u-boats show up as opportunity contacts-and if we could order some of them around (as was done in the original SH4), we could set up mobile picket lines. Even if the AI subs can't shoot their torps, they could at least distract the escorts.

Kpt. Lehmann · 08-29-09, 01:54 AM

GWX Devs and senior testers, please report to the GWX4 dev forum for important briefing.

Thank you.

Bosje · 08-29-09, 06:00 AM

I bought SH4 plus add-on, copied my clean install and created a handful of folders, one of which is named GWX4 and patiently awaits The Day. The others contain RFB, TMO, Opmon etc. All of those are excellent mods and I hardly play any of them since most of my subsimming time goes to GWX3 which is still the best gaming experience of my life, ever.

As such I would never dream of saying what the team should do, they will do as they see fit and the result will be impressive. If their efforts are redirected to SH5 then that will be tough luck for me and if I expected anyone to care about that, I should reconsider my place in the universe :rotfl:

My message to the GWX team is simply this: Thank you for what you did so far and the best of luck with whatever you do from now on
(possibly a bit over the top but I just can't get over how great GWX3 is, lol)

bosje's two cents spent

Sledgehammer427 · 08-29-09, 06:35 AM

I concur, Bosje, I have a separate install waiting as well!

I just got done playing Operation Monsun, and even though it is a great mod, I still wasn't riveted to my seat the way I am with GWX.

and in reference to Kpt. Lehmann's post...
mmmmm, the plot thickens!

Pacific_Ace · 08-29-09, 12:35 PM

I must say Im very distressed at the thought that GWX4 wont be done.
From the opening movie (and its haunting song, which I went on to track down and add to my music collection) to watching my Luftwaffe mates stealing my tonnage, to having my arse handed to me by irate tin can skippers, the GWX team took SH3 to a whole new level of simulation gaming and I was VERY excited when I learned of GWX4. I hope it gets done.

Jimbuna · 08-29-09, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pacific_Ace

I must say Im very distressed at the thought that GWX4 wont be done.
From the opening movie (and its haunting song, which I went on to track down and add to my music collection) to watching my Luftwaffe mates stealing my tonnage, to having my arse handed to me by irate tin can skippers, the GWX team took SH3 to a whole new level of simulation gaming and I was VERY excited when I learned of GWX4. I hope it gets done.

There should be an announcement here within the the next 24 hours or so

Sledgehammer427 · 08-29-09, 04:04 PM

you know, I wonder....

Since SH4 is a more easily modified platform, re-create some of the add-ons people have made since it's release, modify it slightly, add some new units...

I wonder if this could be the release of GWX4!

*jerks*
gah!
daydreaming again!

Dowly · 08-29-09, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer427

you know, I wonder....

Since SH4 is a more easily modified platform, re-create some of the add-ons people have made since it's release, modify it slightly, add some new units...

And start a flamewar again with ppl coming at them crying "CRY CRY CRY, you copied my idea and used my mods, I dont have any proof to back it up but I like attention CRY CRY CRY"?

EDIT: Not that I'd mind another flamewar, kinda liked it. Especially now that I know that one can make accusations based on nothing without being 'punished' by the moderators.

ShoCkwaVe · 08-29-09, 06:47 PM

GWX can you please fix the black (cant see sh!t storms) from apearing
out of *nowhere* every time a tugboat passes by?

I mean ..c'mon who made that code?

I H8 that~!

that and when I spend an hour playing & actualy sink a few ships just out of reach of
making it home or just after sinking a ship that reaaaally made me work hard to sink er
I get the *crash* error: cant read referenced memory click to close

CRAP I FORGOT TO SAVE!!

anyr8 I cant wait for gwx4.. and in my opinion if it was up to me
the gwx team would replace some of the developers at ubisoft as your
work is better then theirs.

I purchased the uboat mission addon and I was pissed with the results. It seems like
a modder simply threw it together by adding the only 2 uboats I h8 playing with the Ixd
& XXII ..I wanted the VIIb & C!!

Not only that but the missions are based in the pacific- lorient, kiel etc are not an option
to transfer how lame.. i noticed all the crew look american aside from the poorly textured
german eagle imprinted on a white sleveless shirt above deck

I thought wtf, I want my $ back!

only thing I really can say I liked was the (scout planes feature)
so back to sh3 i go until GWX4 HMF!

Sledgehammer427 · 08-29-09, 07:26 PM

whoa whoa whoa, Shockwave, hold on there a second.
GWX puts the "simulation" in SH3, it aims to give you the most realistic experience possible from the games engine. the storms are a given and are really hard to fix if i remember correctly.
we were all disappointed when we found only a IXD2 and a XVIII were included in the U boat expansion packs.
Operation Monsun, a mod released on this forum, adds the other german U-boats and allows you to patrol in the atlantic.
the german eagle motif tank top was a real Shirt worn by kriegsmarine crews in the tropics. I have an osprey publishing book that says so, and I'll believe it.

If you have any really serious problems with GWX take it up with them in the SHIII mods workshop.

Dowly · 08-29-09, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShoCkwaVe

Not only that but the missions are based in the pacific

Ow yeh, that's something I didnt understabd with the add-on. Kiel etc. had harbors and uboat pens in stock SH4. I sailed there myslef and some others did aswell.

Not to throw **** at the dev team, it's obvious that you had a very tight schedule wich would explain all the SH3 left over files that are found from the stock SH4 install.

Kpt. Lehmann · 08-29-09, 08:51 PM

Guys, you would be well advised to remember that without the Silent Hunter Devs, there would be no GWX.

Read on, and think twice:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...postcount=4627

Please do not use this thread as a platform for complaining about or debating the validity of the Silent Hunter Dev team and/or the series.

What you must know, is that some of us amongst the GWX dev team count at least one of the Silent Hunter dev team as a personal friend... INSPITE of all related challenges.

Insult, complain, and slap if you must, about our work, their work, or whatever... but do it elsewhere.

Better yet, stop complaining, show some class, and try to be part of the solution instead of being part of the problem.

08-25-09, 05:37 AM	#211
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,099 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	I think many people here are forgetting something worth mentioning: SH4 is different to SH3, yes, but they have a common base and many development tools are shared (Silent Editor, etc.), while in SH5 we have, according to the announcement "Full new code". The experience gained by the old SH3 modders, and particularly by the GWX guys with those both sims is incredible, having achieved things that even the own Devs hadn't thought about. I guess that SH5 will have in that sense its own steep learning curve for modders, so nobody can say that a GWX5 would come just a few months after the SH5 release. Then, my experience as modder with the venerable Pacific Aces also shows me that a good modding team is like a greased machine, operating swiftly and with an objective, but that stopping it generates rust and kills the working pace. I guess that putting GWX4 on hold and waiting for SH5 end version and starting again would mean losing a good amount of the team, who will fade away in other projects. You can't have so many talented people without doing something, that's a fact I learned long ago. Add to all the previous the probably killer PC you will need to run SH5, and you get a good picture of why GWX4 is still worth continuing, even if the scope of it is somewhat reduced (Not the quality of the product) if KL sees fit. __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

08-25-09, 08:51 AM	#212
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,344 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	@dmlavan....High praise indeed.....thanks @mookie...LMAO @FIREWALL....Does KL have you on pay @Hitman...Food for thought To all...Till Sunday __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

08-25-09, 04:25 PM	#214
difool2 Commander Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 459 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	SH3 campaign getting total overhaul? I don't think anybody's done a SH3 campaign as comprehensive as RSRDC for SH4. I assume that the GWX 4 campaign will be getting an almost complete rewrite, hopefully focused on realism? If so one thing I would like to see is having friendly u-boats show up as opportunity contacts-and if we could order some of them around (as was done in the original SH4), we could set up mobile picket lines. Even if the AI subs can't shoot their torps, they could at least distract the escorts.

08-29-09, 01:54 AM	#215
Kpt. Lehmann GWX Project Director Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 6,875 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	GWX Devs and senior testers, please report to the GWX4 dev forum for important briefing. Thank you. __________________ www.thegreywolves.com All you need is good men. - Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock

08-29-09, 06:00 AM	#216
Bosje Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 732 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	I bought SH4 plus add-on, copied my clean install and created a handful of folders, one of which is named GWX4 and patiently awaits The Day. The others contain RFB, TMO, Opmon etc. All of those are excellent mods and I hardly play any of them since most of my subsimming time goes to GWX3 which is still the best gaming experience of my life, ever. As such I would never dream of saying what the team should do, they will do as they see fit and the result will be impressive. If their efforts are redirected to SH5 then that will be tough luck for me and if I expected anyone to care about that, I should reconsider my place in the universe :rotfl: My message to the GWX team is simply this: Thank you for what you did so far and the best of luck with whatever you do from now on (possibly a bit over the top but I just can't get over how great GWX3 is, lol) bosje's two cents spent __________________ And when an 800-ton Uboat has you by the tits... you listen!

08-25-09, 02:58 PM	#213
Subsim Monitor System Monitor Bot Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,414 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 3	One thing we appreciate here is the respect shown concerning this topic. Thanks, guys, all of you.

08-29-09, 06:35 AM	#217
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,901 Downloads: 280 Uploads: 0	I concur, Bosje, I have a separate install waiting as well! I just got done playing Operation Monsun, and even though it is a great mod, I still wasn't riveted to my seat the way I am with GWX. and in reference to Kpt. Lehmann's post... mmmmm, the plot thickens! __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!

08-29-09, 12:35 PM	#218
Pacific_Ace Bosun Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 61 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I must say Im very distressed at the thought that GWX4 wont be done. From the opening movie (and its haunting song, which I went on to track down and add to my music collection) to watching my Luftwaffe mates stealing my tonnage, to having my arse handed to me by irate tin can skippers, the GWX team took SH3 to a whole new level of simulation gaming and I was VERY excited when I learned of GWX4. I hope it gets done.

08-29-09, 04:04 PM	#220
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,901 Downloads: 280 Uploads: 0	you know, I wonder.... Since SH4 is a more easily modified platform, re-create some of the add-ons people have made since it's release, modify it slightly, add some new units... I wonder if this could be the release of GWX4! jerks gah! daydreaming again! __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!

08-29-09, 06:47 PM	#222
ShoCkwaVe Bosun Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: In a yellow submarine Posts: 62 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	GWX can you please fix the black (cant see sh!t storms) from apearing out of nowhere every time a tugboat passes by? I mean ..c'mon who made that code? I H8 that~! that and when I spend an hour playing & actualy sink a few ships just out of reach of making it home or just after sinking a ship that reaaaally made me work hard to sink er I get the crash error: cant read referenced memory click to close CRAP I FORGOT TO SAVE!! anyr8 I cant wait for gwx4.. and in my opinion if it was up to me the gwx team would replace some of the developers at ubisoft as your work is better then theirs. I purchased the uboat mission addon and I was pissed with the results. It seems like a modder simply threw it together by adding the only 2 uboats I h8 playing with the Ixd & XXII ..I wanted the VIIb & C!! Not only that but the missions are based in the pacific- lorient, kiel etc are not an option to transfer how lame.. i noticed all the crew look american aside from the poorly textured german eagle imprinted on a white sleveless shirt above deck I thought wtf, I want my $ back! only thing I really can say I liked was the (scout planes feature) so back to sh3 i go until GWX4 HMF! Last edited by ShoCkwaVe; 08-29-09 at 07:15 PM.

08-29-09, 07:26 PM	#223
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,901 Downloads: 280 Uploads: 0	whoa whoa whoa, Shockwave, hold on there a second. GWX puts the "simulation" in SH3, it aims to give you the most realistic experience possible from the games engine. the storms are a given and are really hard to fix if i remember correctly. we were all disappointed when we found only a IXD2 and a XVIII were included in the U boat expansion packs. Operation Monsun, a mod released on this forum, adds the other german U-boats and allows you to patrol in the atlantic. the german eagle motif tank top was a real Shirt worn by kriegsmarine crews in the tropics. I have an osprey publishing book that says so, and I'll believe it. If you have any really serious problems with GWX take it up with them in the SHIII mods workshop. __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!

08-29-09, 08:51 PM	#225
Kpt. Lehmann GWX Project Director Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 6,875 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	Guys, you would be well advised to remember that without the Silent Hunter Devs, there would be no GWX. Read on, and think twice: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...postcount=4627 Please do not use this thread as a platform for complaining about or debating the validity of the Silent Hunter Dev team and/or the series. What you must know, is that some of us amongst the GWX dev team count *at least* one of the Silent Hunter dev team as a personal friend... INSPITE of all related challenges. Insult, complain, and slap if you must, about our work, their work, or whatever... but do it elsewhere. Better yet, stop complaining, show some class, and try to be part of the solution instead of being part of the problem. __________________ www.thegreywolves.com All you need is good men. - Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock