Who / What / Where Game Part 2 - Page 344

Catfish · 08-09-23, 05:23 PM

I guess it was first used in Dakar, before the ocean liners made the "transatlantic jump" towards Buenos Aires.
It was not called a "collier" but a barge (which I mentioned), a pontoon, or a coal lighter, since most had no own propulsion.
So this is the word for the thing, but who invented it?

Aktungbby · 08-09-23, 05:38 PM

Guisseppi Collieri?

Catfish · 08-10-23, 01:46 AM

no, it is an italian name, and the surname will do

Hint: The invention was to take a coal collier/barge/pontoon/lighter/freighter/whatever/!"§$%&/!! and mount crane-like structures on it that vertically move the coal from the cargo hold to a height, where the chutes could release the coal directly into the ship's hull coaling portholes, which sped up the process significantly.
The Principessa was already one of the fastest ships of her time (called the greyhound of the seas), and the new technique made the voyage from Genova to South America even shorter.

Aktungbby · 08-10-23, 10:07 AM

to reiterate; an italian designed lighter/pontoon/barge?

Jimbuna · 08-10-23, 10:13 AM

Come on Vinnie, pee or get off the pot.......I'm waiting

Aktungbby · 08-10-23, 10:38 AM

well I'm mingling my pleasures: watching Revolt of the Slaves with Rhonda Fleming and going with the 'boss" to her knee replacement therapy work out...

Catfish · 08-10-23, 02:45 PM

re Vinnie: yep.

Jimbuna · 08-11-23, 06:31 AM

Is this the Milazzo or the Voltunno?

Catfish · 08-11-23, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Is this the Milazzo or the Voltunno?

Those are the two freighters that were changed to accomodate this crane/chute system.
There were lots of lighters with those chutes and the two freighters you mentioned.
The photo is just one of all those lighters without propulsion, they usually have no name.

We need the name of this coaling chute system, or its inventor (name is the same)

Jimbuna · 08-11-23, 07:23 AM

Emilio Menada?

Aktungbby · 08-11-23, 11:26 AM

...it seems the Milazzo(the world's largest collier!!

) was eidelviessed

by Georg Ritter von Trapp's U-boat, U-14, in 1917...after one year of service!!

I searched diligently but fruitlessly for italian coal barge/lighter/pontoon photos at Genoa Dakar or Buenos Aires, the Principessa Malfada's principle ports-of-call on the Italian cruise circuit... untill the driveshaft discombobulation holeing of the hull off Brazil...Nice one Jimbo!

Jimbuna · 08-11-23, 12:17 PM

Not sure if I've given the correct answer yet

Aktungbby · 08-11-23, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Not sure if I've given the correct answer yet

I came-a-cropper; U came-a-wopper!

Jimbuna · 08-11-23, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

I came-a-cropper; U came-a-wopper!

?????????

Catfish · 08-11-23, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Emilio Menada?

YES!

This is the one, Emilio Menada. Those barges were called "Menada pontoons" / "Menada's patent coaling lighters" or in german "Menada's Patent Bunker Schuten"

http://www.menada.it/archivi/emilio_...oni_menada.pdf

https://www.aidmen.it/articles.html/...i-rinfuse-r64/

english translation:

https://www-aidmen-it.translate.goog..._x_tr_pto=wapp

The new technology helped coaling up those liners much faster than it was done before: By workers carrying coal sacks.
When ships switched to oil-fired steam engines or to Diesel, those barges became quickly obsolete.

I admit this was difficult, there are only two links I found on the 'net.
Extremely well done Jim!

Remind me the round is on me if you come to Germany, or if i ever meet you in England.

Over to you!

08-09-23, 05:23 PM	#5146
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	I guess it was first used in Dakar, before the ocean liners made the "transatlantic jump" towards Buenos Aires. It was not called a "collier" but a barge (which I mentioned), a pontoon, or a coal lighter, since most had no own propulsion. So this is the word for the thing, but who invented it? __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

08-09-23, 05:38 PM	#5147
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 27,857 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Guisseppi Collieri? __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness; and I'm not too sure about the Universe"

08-10-23, 01:46 AM	#5148
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	no, it is an italian name, and the surname will do Hint: The invention was to take a coal collier/barge/pontoon/lighter/freighter/whatever/!"§$%&/!! and mount crane-like structures on it that vertically move the coal from the cargo hold to a height, where the chutes could release the coal directly into the ship's hull coaling portholes, which sped up the process significantly. The Principessa was already one of the fastest ships of her time (called the greyhound of the seas), and the new technique made the voyage from Genova to South America even shorter. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

08-10-23, 10:07 AM	#5149
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 27,857 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	to reiterate; an italian designed lighter/pontoon/barge? __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness; and I'm not too sure about the Universe"

08-10-23, 10:13 AM	#5150
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,198 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Come on Vinnie, pee or get off the pot.......I'm waiting __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

08-10-23, 10:38 AM	#5151
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 27,857 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	well I'm mingling my pleasures: watching Revolt of the Slaves with Rhonda Fleming and going with the 'boss" to her knee replacement therapy work out... __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness; and I'm not too sure about the Universe"

08-10-23, 02:45 PM	#5152
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	re Vinnie: yep. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

08-11-23, 06:31 AM	#5153
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,198 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Is this the Milazzo or the Voltunno? __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

08-11-23, 07:23 AM	#5155
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,198 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Emilio Menada? __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

08-11-23, 11:26 AM	#5156
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 27,857 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	...it seems the Milazzo(the world's largest *collier!! ) was eidelviessed* by Georg Ritter von Trapp's U-boat, U-14, in 1917...after one year of service!! I searched diligently but fruitlessly for italian coal barge/lighter/pontoon photos at Genoa Dakar or Buenos Aires, the Principessa Malfada's principle ports-of-call on the Italian cruise circuit... untill the driveshaft discombobulation holeing of the hull off Brazil...Nice one Jimbo! __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness; and I'm not too sure about the Universe"

08-11-23, 12:17 PM	#5157
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,198 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Not sure if I've given the correct answer yet __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)