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Old 07-13-23, 07:05 PM   #106
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The greatest trick anti-climate change ppl ever pull is convincing the world it didn’t exist.

Don't think its a "if" question , more a how much question.

By time most humans work that out it will be too late.

But we will prob kill ourselves before that with technology abuse.

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Old 07-13-23, 07:11 PM   #107
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[QUOTE=Rockstar;2875965]Yep. In the quest to “save the planet” they are killing it, polluting it, the people, their food sources and livelihood.

No thats just called greed, nothing to do with "save the planet", in this action just $, why would you make that naive assumption....
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Old 07-14-23, 05:04 PM   #108
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Old 07-19-23, 06:12 PM   #109
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One nuclear power plant could have save 15.9 million trees and would have provided consistent, affordable power for decades.

Instead they opted for expensive, high maintenance, weather reliant toys. Saving the planet 1 tree at a time.

SNP admits to felling 16 million trees to develop wind farms
Scottish Tory MSP Liam Kerr said figure would astonish the public and communities all over the country had cited concerns about the projects

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Almost 16 million trees have been chopped down on publicly owned land in Scotland to make way for wind farms, an SNP minister had admitted amid a major drive to erect more turbines.

Mairi Gougeon, the Rural Affairs Secretary, estimated that 15.7 million trees had been felled since 2000 in land that is currently managed by agency Forestry and Land Scotland (FLS) - the equivalent of more than 1,700 per day.
She insisted there was a planning presumption in favour of protecting woodland and wind farm developers would be expected to undertake “compensatory planting elsewhere”.

But Liam Kerr, a Scottish Tory MSP, said the public would be “astonished” at the total and cited concerns about the developments that had been raised with him “by communities all over the country.”

Scotland already has turbines theoretically capable of generating 8.4GW of power, well over half the UK’s total, but SNP ministers want to add a further 8-12GW.

Protections for unspoiled wild land watered down
Their latest planning framework relaxes controls on building more turbines, with protections for unspoiled wild land watered down.

The John Muir Trust, a conservation charity, has warned the new threshold for allowing wind farm companies to build turbines on wild land is so low that it appears impossible for them not to meet it.

The SNP wind power target also includes replacing existing turbines that may be coming to the end of their working life with even taller and larger versions, a process called “repowering”.

It emerged earlier this year that some developers want to erect turbines up to 850 feet tall, the equivalent of more than 60 double decker buses.
In a letter to Mr Kerr, dated July 13, Ms Gougeon said the equivalent of around 7,858 hectares of trees had been chopped down to make way for wind farms since 2000.
With an average of 2,000 trees per hectare, she said: “This gives an estimated total of 15.7 million trees which have been felled in order to facilitate windfarm development.”

The minister added: “Removal should only be permitted where it would achieve significant and clearly defined additional public benefits.
‘Developers must provide compensatory planting’
“Where woodland is removed in association with development, developers will generally be expected to provide compensatory planting in order to avoid a net loss of woodland.”

She said many of the felled trees will have been “replanted on site” or replaced elsewhere, and the vast majority were part of a commercial crop that would have been chopped down anyway “at the end of their rotation”.
But Mr Kerr, a North East MSP, said: “Most people will be astonished to see the number of trees cut down to make way for wind farms.

“I’ve been contacted many times by rural communities all over the country questioning the location of these developments, sharing legitimate concerns not just about the visual impact but also damage to wildlife and business. Now we learn there’s significant damage when it comes to trees.”
He said ministers “must be alive” to the “significant costs” that could be incurred with the siting of wind farms.

FLS said it had planted more than 500 million trees since 2000 and the quantity felled for wind farms equated roughly to its annual harvesting programme.
A spokesman said: “Renewable energy generated from wind farms is a key element in Scotland’s response to the climate emergency and the shift towards net zero and the infrastructure on land that we manage generates enough power for 600,000 homes.”

Morag Watson, director of policy at trade body Scottish Renewables said: “The volatile price of imported gas has left energy consumers suffering some of the highest prices in living memory, alongside a climate emergency which means cutting the amount of carbon we emit as quickly as possible.

“Building new wind farms - the cheapest form of power generation - tackles both problems at once.”
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Old 07-19-23, 07:54 PM   #110
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One nuclear power plant could have save 15.9 million trees and would have provided consistent, affordable power for decades.

Instead they opted for expensive, high maintenance, weather reliant toys. Saving the planet 1 tree at a time.

[B] SNP admits to felling 16 million trees to develop wind farms
Scottish Tory MSP Liam Kerr said figure would astonish the public and communities all over the country had cited concerns about the projects
Oh man! I'm afraid all the sheeple fleeing their self created socialist utopias in the northern states of the USA are going to really double down on their climate change agenda when they experience their first summers in the south.
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Old 07-19-23, 09:14 PM   #111
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Nuclear and Hydro are a plus for me!!
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Old 07-20-23, 04:21 AM   #112
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Tis the SNP....says it all.
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Old 07-21-23, 01:15 AM   #113
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It just occurred to me that the reason so many are so invested in a climate change agenda is that they have abandoned traditional religion. Climate change is now their religion.
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Old 07-23-23, 01:43 PM   #116
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All the heavy equipment dumps bad stuff into the air.
And I heard from the Vice Presidente the goal is to reduce population.
So what's the problem?
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Old 07-23-23, 07:45 PM   #117
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Let’ ‘em die. Like everyone else I am more than willing to trade their lives and legacy for my electric cars, computers, cellphones, convenience and comfort. Because I’m saving the planet!

Saving the planet is like the ‘war’ on poverty or drugs but with a more positive spin to it.
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Old 07-24-23, 06:23 PM   #120
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So, it would seem the the last few posts from Certain People have just been strawmen.


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