A bit special ?

horsa · 09-30-09, 07:08 AM

As a veteran of three meets now (and the holder of the coveted Subsim's "most attended" award

), I've collected some great memories, but feel I have to say this one was a bit special ....

I was unable to attend the full programme because of business committments, but was determined to experience the UC3 Nautilus.

Ok why a bit special ? Basically, all of you guys. I felt thoroughly welcome despite the fact that I joined the trip at a later stage and didn't really know most of you from the SH forums.

I've taken great pleasure from all the photos you've all posted. Some of you might know I was a professional photographer in a previous life and I'm used to being "the guy who takes the photos" - but not this time. You were all at it !!

Its clear many of you take your photography very seriouslyand it's been a pleasure looking through them. I was tempted to do a Neal here and offer up awards , but I'm sure I'd end up insulting too many people - and who am I to judge anyway.

If you take a bunch of submarine enthusiasts, what can you give them that tops everything - Answer ? - their own real submarine to play with. How can any future meet top that ?

So thanks to Jonathan for organising this remarkable meet, thanks to Copenhagen for being such a beautiful and interesting city, thanks to Von Hinten for the excellent report, thanks to the dev team for being part of everything, thanks to Peter Madsen for loaning his sub, thanks to the many guys who noticed I was there, and thanks to the big guy for pushing me out of the sub and being everything that Subsim needs to be.

Von Hinten · 09-30-09, 12:03 PM

You're more than welcome my friend, and I hope to see you on many Subsim meets to come.

McBeck · 09-30-09, 12:37 PM

Hi David

It was a real pleasure to meet you finally and I hope the trip in the sub was everything you hoped for.

I can tell from your gear, use and pictures that you have a flair for taking pictures.

I would be honored if you would look through these pictures and give me your comments:

http://jonathanjorgensen.daportfolio.com/

martes86 · 09-30-09, 03:42 PM

It was a great honor having you on board, sir!

horsa · 09-30-09, 05:53 PM

Jonathan,

In the UK there's no real distinction between an amateur or professional photographer, except the latter decides to charge money and sets up in business. Over time the professional just gets more practice at it, learns a few tricks and techniques, and is probably more consistent, rather than "better".

Whenever an amateur starts taking his photography seriously ( as in your case), the results are usually frighteningly good. The photographs you have taken all have a creative eye, but you probably wouldn't be doing it if you hadn't got that.

If you want a goal, why not consider submitting to a picture library. This was once " strictly for professionals" but for many companies this is no longer the case. There are several on-line libraries who can deal exclusively through the internet - contracts, submissions, sales etc .
I've used this site but I'm sure there are others.
www.alamy.co.uk

It's really a numbers game. You need to submit tens of thousands of images to make "a living" ( even 1000 will only get you about 2500 Danish Kroner per year), but even for small numbers its a great kick to get paid for your images. Don't expect to get rich. The brilliant pictures aren't usually the best sellers.

Carotio · 09-30-09, 06:12 PM

Earlier this year, I actually sold one of my photos to the local newspaper in Odense (3rd largest city in Denmark), and I was thrilled about it, untill I realized that the director in charge of photos had tricked me and paid me less than what I was entitled to according to the freelance organization for photographers.
I got 600dkk for it, but I should have got IIRC more than 1000dkk, because it was made in the night. The photos of a fire at 2am.
The photographer sets the price when offering the photo to whomever he/she wants to sell it to, and then afterwards the negociation can begin, if the buyer thinks it's too expensive. If the photographer has the only photos of a unique situation, then it's the time to "squeeze the fruit", "milk the cow" or whatever you say in English.

Anyway, if you wanna have a look at some of my photos - yes, I know, I haven't updated the site in a while, been busy elsewhere... - then go ahead and give me your opinion:

http://www.larsbundgaard.dk/

09-30-09, 07:08 AM	#1
horsa Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Halifax, England Posts: 502 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 3	A bit special ? As a veteran of three meets now (and the holder of the coveted Subsim's "most attended" award ), I've collected some great memories, but feel I have to say this one was a bit special .... I was unable to attend the full programme because of business committments, but was determined to experience the UC3 Nautilus. Ok why a bit special ? Basically, all of you guys. I felt thoroughly welcome despite the fact that I joined the trip at a later stage and didn't really know most of you from the SH forums. I've taken great pleasure from all the photos you've all posted. Some of you might know I was a professional photographer in a previous life and I'm used to being "the guy who takes the photos" - but not this time. You were all at it !! Its clear many of you take your photography very seriouslyand it's been a pleasure looking through them. I was tempted to do a Neal here and offer up awards , but I'm sure I'd end up insulting too many people - and who am I to judge anyway. If you take a bunch of submarine enthusiasts, what can you give them that tops everything - Answer ? - their own real submarine to play with. How can any future meet top that ? So thanks to Jonathan for organising this remarkable meet, thanks to Copenhagen for being such a beautiful and interesting city, thanks to Von Hinten for the excellent report, thanks to the dev team for being part of everything, thanks to Peter Madsen for loaning his sub, thanks to the many guys who noticed I was there, and thanks to the big guy for pushing me out of the sub and being everything that Subsim needs to be. __________________ "You need to put your behind in the past". Kumba

09-30-09, 12:03 PM	#2
Von Hinten Commander Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Netherlands Posts: 466 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	You're more than welcome my friend, and I hope to see you on many Subsim meets to come. __________________ Regardz, Von Hinten UC3 Nautilus' engineer for 45 minutes!

09-30-09, 12:37 PM	#3
McBeck Admiral Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,023 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Hi David It was a real pleasure to meet you finally and I hope the trip in the sub was everything you hoped for. I can tell from your gear, use and pictures that you have a flair for taking pictures. I would be honored if you would look through these pictures and give me your comments: http://jonathanjorgensen.daportfolio.com/ __________________ "I like subcommanders...they dont have time for bull**!" Proud member of the Subsim army of zombies Becks website

09-30-09, 05:53 PM	#5
horsa Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Halifax, England Posts: 502 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 3	Jonathan, In the UK there's no real distinction between an amateur or professional photographer, except the latter decides to charge money and sets up in business. Over time the professional just gets more practice at it, learns a few tricks and techniques, and is probably more consistent, rather than "better". Whenever an amateur starts taking his photography seriously ( as in your case), the results are usually frighteningly good. The photographs you have taken all have a creative eye, but you probably wouldn't be doing it if you hadn't got that. If you want a goal, why not consider submitting to a picture library. This was once " strictly for professionals" but for many companies this is no longer the case. There are several on-line libraries who can deal exclusively through the internet - contracts, submissions, sales etc . I've used this site but I'm sure there are others. www.alamy.co.uk It's really a numbers game. You need to submit tens of thousands of images to make "a living" ( even 1000 will only get you about 2500 Danish Kroner per year), but even for small numbers its a great kick to get paid for your images. Don't expect to get rich. The brilliant pictures aren't usually the best sellers. __________________ "You need to put your behind in the past". Kumba

09-30-09, 06:12 PM	#6
Carotio Mr. Bad Wolf Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Aabenraa, Denmark Posts: 1,488 Downloads: 47 Uploads: 0	Earlier this year, I actually sold one of my photos to the local newspaper in Odense (3rd largest city in Denmark), and I was thrilled about it, untill I realized that the director in charge of photos had tricked me and paid me less than what I was entitled to according to the freelance organization for photographers. I got 600dkk for it, but I should have got IIRC more than 1000dkk, because it was made in the night. The photos of a fire at 2am. The photographer sets the price when offering the photo to whomever he/she wants to sell it to, and then afterwards the negociation can begin, if the buyer thinks it's too expensive. If the photographer has the only photos of a unique situation, then it's the time to "squeeze the fruit", "milk the cow" or whatever you say in English. Anyway, if you wanna have a look at some of my photos - yes, I know, I haven't updated the site in a while, been busy elsewhere... - then go ahead and give me your opinion: http://www.larsbundgaard.dk/ __________________ Download my mods from SHMF Follow my photography here taler dansk, speak English, spreche Deutsch, parle français, forstår svenska/norsk, comprendo castellano

09-30-09, 03:42 PM	#4
martes86 Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Colourful Seville - Spain Posts: 971 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	It was a great honor having you on board, sir!