Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

"just peace deal" in other words not taking sides in favour of either country and "end to the war" both mean the same imho and yes there are more countries than just India taking advantage of Russian low price oil etc. long may it continue because hopefully that is all Russia will be able to trade for decades to come.

Look at the negotiations of the EU with the Mercosur states. They - the Europeans - derail it with imperial demands erected by the Greens on how America should and should not do things. Latin America counters that with having pointed the EU to place 3 in trade volumes, behind the UU and behind China, and threatening to end the negotiations, also demanding compensations now for the evil wicked white past and climate things.

Europe's position at least is not that strong as the EU wants to believe. And China and Russia do their parts to make themselves apparent attractive alternatives to the EU states.

Brazil recently gave Germany the boot. South Africa mopped the floor with the EU and its "demands". India refused to comply with European demands versus Russia.

The EU has only one strength, its economic weight, and that only strength it decided to weaken by its green deal agenda that weakens itself and makes the others in relation more competitive. And "the others" includes the US.

Baerbock can moralize as much as she wants, it does not matter. The EU can lament as much as it wants, it does not matter. If you want to participate in international arm wrestling, you better have thick muscles instead of just a big mouth and polished manners.

[Jimbuna]

[mapuc]

Big revenge from Putin upon the destruction of Kerch bridge I read

It will be as last - A massive missile and drone attack on Kyiv.

Food shortage.

It shouldn't surprise me if we will see major riot in the biggest city in the third world. Even here in our industrial world we may see demonstration.

More on this bridge-Why can't they do a genuin job and fix the bridge so Russia can't use it for month.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

[Skybird]

And the fourth Russian general has just been kicked out within a few days... Keep it up, Putler! All four men were said to have led their units quite effectively during the defense against the Ukrainian offensive. Is Putler a - double agent...?

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Will they? Countries representing 60% of world population refuse to side with the West against russia, and Latin ameic aand Africa en large show total desinterest in the war and opprutnistically do business with rsusia and Chian as they see fit.
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Putin's last move to not prolong the grain deal will probably lead to some countries changing their mind.

[Dargo]

While systems like tanks, jets and cruise missiles tend to capture the public imagination, the war in Ukraine in 2023 is largely being fought with much the same tools as it was in 2022 - artillery. The constant exchange of fire has been critical to the battle, enabling attrition, blunting attacks and enabling advances. Both sides have continued to adapt, trying to refine their tactics and capabilities while wearing down their opponent.

But in this attrition struggle, losses and resupply of systems, barrels and ammunition matter, not just tactics. Ukraine now finds itself in an ammunition deficit - trying to attack at a time when its allies have not yet ramped up production enough to readily meet its needs. It's in that context that the US recently announced the supply of cluster munitions to refill Ukraine's ammunition bunkers. Today we look at those munitions, their likely impact, as well as the broader course of the artillery war in Ukraine one year on from my original video on the topic "outgunned"

[Dargo]

Russia amasses over 100,000 troops for offensive on eastern front

Ukraine faces a massive Russian threat in the Lyman-Kupyansk direction on the eastern front, where Russia deployed over 100,000 troops, 900 tanks, and 370 multiple rocket launchers (MLRS), Colonel Serhii Cherevatyi, spokesman for the Eastern Group of Ukraine’s Armed Forces, said during the national news telethon, Ukrainska Pravda reported. Ukraine’s eastern front is threatened by Russia’s massive buildup of troops in the Lyman-Kupiansk area in Donetsk and Kharkiv oblasts, according to Colonel Serhii Cherevatyi. “The enemy has concentrated a very powerful grouping in that area, more than 100 thousand personnel, more than 900 tanks, more than 555 artillery systems, and 370 MLRS. For your understanding, at the peak of Soviet troops in Afghanistan, there were 120,000 soldiers down there,” Colonel Serhii Cherevatyi said.

The Russian army concentrated airborne units, motorized infantry units, territorial defense troops, and so-called private military companies as a reserve in the Lyman-Kupiansk sector alone, Serhii Cherevatyi said. Ukrainian soldiers are holding the line and preventing Russian forces from completely seizing the initiative on the eastern front, according to Serhii Cherevatyi. https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/07/...says/?swcfpc=1

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Dargo

Russia amasses over 100,000 troops for offensive on eastern front

Ukraine faces a massive Russian threat in the Lyman-Kupyansk direction on the eastern front, where Russia deployed over 100,000 troops, 900 tanks, and 370 multiple rocket launchers (MLRS), Colonel Serhii Cherevatyi, spokesman for the Eastern Group of Ukraine’s Armed Forces, said during the national news telethon, Ukrainska Pravda reported. Ukraine’s eastern front is threatened by Russia’s massive buildup of troops in the Lyman-Kupiansk area in Donetsk and Kharkiv oblasts, according to Colonel Serhii Cherevatyi. “The enemy has concentrated a very powerful grouping in that area, more than 100 thousand personnel, more than 900 tanks, more than 555 artillery systems, and 370 MLRS. For your understanding, at the peak of Soviet troops in Afghanistan, there were 120,000 soldiers down there,” Colonel Serhii Cherevatyi said.



The Russian army concentrated airborne units, motorized infantry units, territorial defense troops, and so-called private military companies as a reserve in the Lyman-Kupiansk sector alone, Serhii Cherevatyi said. Ukrainian soldiers are holding the line and preventing Russian forces from completely seizing the initiative on the eastern front, according to Serhii Cherevatyi. https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/07/...says/?swcfpc=1

AFU need to get Russia to withdraw some of these soldiers and material to other places on the frontline.
How !? Maybe start an offensive at some part where they haven't been advancing.

Markus

[Skybird]

After weeks of hard fighting, Kiev's troops are slowly but surely approaching the first - and in some places only - Russian defence line on several sections of the front. The advance is coming in spurts, with one village after another being conquered in fierce battles.

Kiev's offensive has been going on for about four weeks now, and if it continues at the current pace without any major breakthroughs, the troops on the border of the Zaporizhzhya and Donetsk regions, for example, would probably have reached the defence line by the end of July. .

Further west, in the village of Robotyne, Ukrainian soldiers are already fighting directly at the Russian bulwark. However, there are two more defence lines in this region behind the first one.

But what are the reasons why the counter-offensive has so far been slow and has suffered heavy losses? Franz-Stefan Gady is Consulting Senior Fellow at the London Institute for International Strategic Studies and Adjunct Senior Fellow at the Center For New American Security in Washington DC. He is considered one of the most renowned war analysts.

When he gave an interview to the Tagesspiegel three weeks ago on the state of the counter-offensive, he was deliberately reticent, the information was too diffuse and incomplete.

Currently, Gady himself is in Ukraine. And in conversations with non-commissioned officers, officers and a number of brigade commanders as well as high-ranking intelligence and defence officials in Kiev, he received clear answers and a comprehensive picture of the current situation on the front. In writing to the Tagesspiegel, he comments on his first-hand information.

The counter-offensive, he said, is primarily a battle of infantrymen at squad and company level, supported by artillery fire at most sections of the front. Progress is therefore not measured in kilometres, but in metres.

It was often said in the run-up to the offensive that the Western-trained forces would have a great advantage in the duel with the outdated Soviet doctrine of the Russians thanks to their Nato combat crash course. In theory, this may be true, but Gady paints a different picture to the Tagesspiegel.

"The Ukrainian armed forces still do not master operations with combined forces on a large scale," he reports. Operations, he says, are sequential rather than synchronised. For the expert, this is "the main reason for the slow progress". The lack of capabilities would make the Ukrainians vulnerable to Russian fire with anti-tank guided missiles and artillery. "The Russian defence system is not being systematically torn apart," is how Gady describes the situation.

Because this is the case, Ukraine changed tactics after a short time and switched to a war of attrition. According to Gady, however, the character of the offensive will only change if Kiev's soldiers can carry out more systematised attacks. "Otherwise, it will remain a bloody battle of attrition, with reserve units being gradually pushed in," the expert says.

Additional Western arms deliveries, such as ATACMS (short-range ballistic missile), air defence systems, battle tanks or infantry fighting vehicles, are enormously important in his view, but without tactical adjustments by Ukraine they would hardly prove decisive on the battlefield. The same applies to mine-clearing vehicles, he said. "Some Ukrainian attacks were stopped by Russian infantry with anti-tank missiles even before they reached the first Russian minefield," Gady describes the lack of systematic action.

Despite everything, the expert remains cautiously optimistic. "The most important question with regard to further military success for Ukraine in 2023 is whether the Ukrainian military can adapt to larger combined arms operations and regain mobility on the battlefield after having sufficiently weakened the Russian forces with its firepower," he tells the Tagesspiegel. Here, he says, the verdict is not yet in. In his view, the counter-offensive will probably last into the autumn.

His conclusion: "Military success in this counter-offensive is still possible for Ukraine, but will be a major challenge."

Franz-Stefan Gady is an independent defence expert and policy advisor. He is Consulting Senior Fellow at the London Institute for International Strategic Studies and Adjunct Senior Fellow at the Center For New American Security in Washington DC.

[Tagesspiegel]

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I recall how in the earlier stages of the war the Ukraine was applauded for having adopted NATO doctrines and procedures. Then somebody in this forum posted some months ago the assessment of a Finnish soldier saying that he did not held the Ukrainian's tactics in high esteem and thinks they were not a good army. In the media, Salushny nevertheless was hailed for having brought Ukraine's forces within less than two years before the Russian invasion "to almost Western doctrinal standards".

Not only that many of these forces of the early war no longer exist - it seems that the doctrinal training standard in generla has been either overestimated - or was intentionally talked up to boost morale and public coifidence. But in the past months, the deficits of the training and the fallback to Sovjet era procedures is what dominates in the news.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Putin's last move to not prolong the grain deal will probably lead to some countries changing their mind.

Precisely the point I was trying to make in #11923

[Jimbuna]

[tonschk]

There is nothing remotely funny about war and I'll advise you at this opportunity that a growing number of members in this community have a similar viewpoint about much of what you are posting.

[FUBAR295]

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Don't you have something more informative than this dribble....

[Jimbuna]