Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2 - Page 224

mapuc · 05-02-24, 03:38 PM

(Not to spam this thread)

Dargo once wrote:
It's beyond me that people actually think Russia are going to win this war.

Let us chew on the word "Win"

The word "Win" could mean a lot.

If we are talking about conquer entire Ukraine, then I would say NO
If we are talking about conquer parts of Ukraine, then I would say YES.

Markus

mapuc · 05-02-24, 04:21 PM

Markus

Skybird · 05-02-24, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

The word "Win" could mean a lot.

If we are talking about conquer entire Ukraine, then I would say NO
If we are talking about conquer parts of Ukraine, then I would say YES.

You missed the third option. Russia stays where it is and bombs the sh!+ out of Ukraine (industry, power, infrastructure,traffic and supply grids, housing) until no stone is left unturned.

mapuc · 05-02-24, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

You missed the third option. Russia stays where it is and bombs the sh!+ out of Ukraine (industry, power, infrastructure,traffic and supply grids, housing) until no stone is left unturned.

Thank you. This option never crossed my mind.

Would this mean Russia will win ? I say Yes

However Ukraine could do a Croatia-thing.

They surrende to Serbia, but in secret they build up their army and then they attacked and toke back lost land from Serbia.

Markus

Skybird · 05-02-24, 05:44 PM

Could they? Easier said than done with your industry and powergrid in smoking ruins and your financial sovereignty being non-existing.

There are estimations that the costs for rebuilding Ukraine minus the 20% lost territory, if the Russian destruction would end now (why would it?), would cost minimum halve a trillion US dollars in the coming years alone. And that is an optimistic scenario. There are calculations increasing this sum by severla factors.

Rearmament and such luxury features are not included in that.

Washington expects Europe to bear the very most of this sum. Go figure.

mapuc · 05-02-24, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Could they? Easier said than done with your industry and powergrid in smoking ruins and your financial sovereignty being non-existing.

Oh man never gave that a thought.

Markus

August · 05-02-24, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

Thank you. This option never crossed my mind.

Would this mean Russia will win ? I say Yes

However Ukraine could do a Croatia-thing.

They surrende to Serbia, but in secret they build up their army and then they attacked and toke back lost land from Serbia.

Markus

I think if Russia defeats Ukraine they will try to purge the Ukrainians of anyone and everyone who could organize such an army. There will be wide scale mass arrests and executions. The road to the Gulags will be heavily traveled and few will ever return. Just ask the Germans what happens when the Russians "win".

Serbia didn't absorb Croatia but I think Russia would annex the rest of a defeated Ukraine.

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05-02-24, 05:44 PM	#3350
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,523 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Could they? Easier said than done with your industry and powergrid in smoking ruins and your financial sovereignty being non-existing. There are estimations that the costs for rebuilding Ukraine minus the 20% lost territory, if the Russian destruction would end now (why would it?), would cost minimum halve a trillion US dollars in the coming years alone. And that is an optimistic scenario. There are calculations increasing this sum by severla factors. Rearmament and such luxury features are not included in that. Washington expects Europe to bear the very most of this sum. Go figure. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.