GER politics thread

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

From what I understand the winner of the German Wahl(Election)has the serve right to find a coalition of parties beside their own to create a government.

Thats is a habit, a custom at best I think, and not enshrined into law. The loser Armin Laschet for example right now on TV proclaims the demand that he becomes chancellor of a new coalition government.

This may take days or even weeks before the winner of the election can present a government to the German people and who's going to be their next chancellor

Days? No chance. Weeks? Unlikely. I expect months.


The win of the SPD means little. The real winners are FDPÜ and Greens. They are kingmakers, they can call the demands.



And the biggest fights will be between these two.

[mapuc]

Sounds like your heading towards a political chaos

Markus

[Skybird]

In the end it means nothing. The plundering will be the same. The rush for continental collectivism will be the same. Germany's servility will be the same. The irrelevance of the Bundesbank and the Constitutional High Court and the parliament will be the same, because they all are subordinate to EU equivalents now, legally or illegally: Brussels does not mind anymore, but tries to kick the doors in.



In principle nothing important has happened today. And no matter the outcome, it will make no real difference. Poo stinks, no matter what eau de toilette you spray on it.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

In the end it means nothing. The plundering will be the same. The rush for continental collectivism will be the same. Germany's servility will be the same. The irrelevance of the Bundesbank and the Constitutional High Court and the parliament will be the same, because they all are subordinate to EU equivalents now, legally or illegally: Brussels does not mind anymore, but tries to kick the doors in.



In principle nothing important has happened today. And no matter the outcome, it will make no real difference. Poo stinks, no matter what eau de toilette you spray on it.

Well then I fully understand why so many German don't vote.

Markus

[Skybird]

Unfortunately the turnout could be even higher than 2017, since the number of mail votes is much higher this time.

[Skybird]

Turnout in the end showed to be 76.6%, with a very high share of mail ballots.

The so-called "true voting results" with including the nonvoters thus would be this:

Nonvoters: 23.4%
SPD : 19.7%
CDU/CSU: 18.5%
Greens: 11.3%
FDP: 8.8%
AFD: 7.9%
SED: 3.6%
others: 6.7%


I expect quite some CDU-voters having voted for SPD or Grees or FDP just so to not vote for their own candidate. Even the party base of the cDU did not want Laschet, by huge majority. He was enforced by a small handfull of old fat cats at the very top of the party, against all odds, reason, and demand.



FDP and Greens are kingmakers now. The FDP will insist on getting finances. The Greens will claim ecology.



If both would agree to go with the CDU, it would be an even bigger desaster for the CDU than four years ago when it handed all key ministries to the SPD - the second in the election - and thus saw itself shifting even further to the left. If the party ever wants to become meaningful again, it needs to dramatically renew and go back to its conservative values that Merkel has so brutally betrayed. And it needs a revolt against its old fat cats and their replacement.



What remains of Merkel:
- no nuclear powerplants although germany was amongst global leaders in nuclear tech security
- therefore instabile powergrids now with mountign risks every year
- Nordstream 2 with all its implications and consequences
- a massive growth of German financial liabilities for other states' mismanagement
- zero resistence the total overtsepping of the ECB of its mandates
- a strong disgust for German idfentiy, best shown when some years ago after some eleciton success an poltical collegauze held a German flag and she angrily ripped it out of his hand and threw it away
- a continuation of the German tradition of appeasing tyrants like Russia and China by "change by trade" illusions
- no tackling of the pressing issues of pensions, demographic change, brain drain (practically all Germsn turnignt heir bakc on Germany and leaving it for a life somewhere else, are highly specialised academics and other specialised workers of high income)
- Germany still is the highest-taxed country in the EU and globally
- no serious adressing of pressing issues like havign no foeign policy worth to be taken serious, and no military capable to fulfill alliance poblöogaitons, not even defending the borders
- no tackling of masisvely risne crimes rates due to uncontrolled mass migration into german social systems, and tolerance for Islamic racism and parallel justice and parallel culture

- having made Europe susceptible for blackmailing by Turkey, Russia, China, and originator states of mass migration.


Impressive. I do not list a single positive. Not one.

[Skybird]

Oh, and one positive thing to report. amongst young people who were allowed to vote for the first time in their life, Fridays for Future and similar hysteric mass movements claiming to represent all the youth, did not sore too well. The young first-time voters mostly voted for - the FDP. Big surprise for me.

[Jimbuna]

No possibility of a vote to remain in or leave the EU?

[mapuc]

They gave us an explanation on how the rules goes when it comes to voting and the Parliament-Bundestag.
While sitting in my armchair listening I became more and more confused.
The Parliament grow from 700 to 735 I think it was.
The German voters has two votes If I got it right.
I also came to think on what Skybird wrote earlier about the German election system.

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

No possibility of a vote to remain in or leave the EU?

Hahahaha, thats a good one! You don't know many Germans, do you? Germans get raised from the cradle to the grave to believe in state authority - and the EU. Its the holy grail nobody dares to touch over here. Prussian legacy.



I am a stranger in this land now. Do not think I am a typical German. I am not.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

They gave us an explanation on how the rules goes when it comes to voting and the Parliament-Bundestag.
While sitting in my armchair listening I became more and more confused.
The Parliament grow from 700 to 735 I think it was.
The German voters has two votes If I got it right.
I also came to think on what Skybird wrote earlier about the German election system.

Markus

Let me add to your confusion. The SED has failed to qualify by surpassing the 5% hurdle, they have only 4.9%. One would think they are out, then. Not so in Germany. Becasue that was just the first of voters, where they vote for parties. They also vote on candidates in their districts, and the SED unfortunately got three such direct mandates. Voters have two votes.

You may think now they thus send 3 people, and the 5% hurdle is just called that but means nothing. These three people that got voted for. You are wrong again. They send 39 instead. Yes, thirty-nine, and they get full fraction status. Their defeat at the election thus is nullified and turned into a de facto victory: they form a party group although they are not qualified to form a party group by voting result. You are confused now? Well, you are not alone.

And the issue with the so-called "Überhangsmandate" leads even further. If there is kind of a discrepancy between first vote and second vote results, and a party wins more direct adate seats than it won by party votes, it gets the additional seats but all other parties get additional seats to compensate and "balance" , too. This is the reason why the Bundestag becomes bigger and bigger. Originally it had only less than 500! There was a chnage that this time it could scratch the 1000 mark, but many long etsablished old fat cats got shot down by the voters, epsecially in the CDU, and this helped to keep the number of direct ,mandates lower than feared. Its still a raise, however, and the Bundestag thus has greown again.

All that money for all these overpaid freaks that nobody needs. Wonderful.


Trust me - many Germans do not understand this, too.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I am a stranger in this land now. Do not think I am a typical German. I am not.

I gathered that a long time ago

[Jimbuna]

German election: Seven things we learned.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58705286

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

German election: Seven things we learned. [...]

"* Lord Palmerston famously said, "Only three people understood it: the prince consort, who is dead; a German professor, who has gone mad; and I, who have forgotten all about it."
Which is how you may feel after reading about the number of possible coalitions that could govern Germany."

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Catfish

"* Lord Palmerston famously said, "Only three people understood it: the prince consort, who is dead; a German professor, who has gone mad; and I, who have forgotten all about it."
Which is how you may feel after reading about the number of possible coalitions that could govern Germany."

I've been following as best as I'm able but one conclusion I've definitely come to is the fact German politics appear to be crazier then even ours