Alec Baldwin formally charged with Manslaughter in 'Rust’ shooting of Halyna Hutchins

Commander Wallace · 01-19-23, 07:03 PM

Alec Baldwin will be criminally charged for his part in the " Rust " movie scene where Baldwin fatally shot cinematographer Halyna Hutchins.

Quote: New Mexico prosecutors brought the same charge against the movie’s armorer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, after a real bullet was fired from a prop gun by Baldwin on the movie set in October 2021.

Assistant director David Halls, who handed the loaded gun to the actor, accepted a misdemeanor charge in a plea deal. “If any one of these three people — Alec Baldwin, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, or David Halls — had done their job, Halyna Hutchins would be alive today. It’s that simple,” special prosecutor Andrea Reeb said.

Baldwin and Gutierrez-Reed will both be charged “in the alternative,” meaning the jury will decide which of the two charges — involuntary manslaughter or involuntary manslaughter in the commission of a lawful act — they are or are not guilty of. The first charge carries a maximum sentence of 18 months, but because the second charge includes a firearm enhancement, both Baldwin and Gutierrez-Reed would face a mandatory five year sentence if convicted.

https://nypost.com/2023/01/19/alec-b...lyna-hutchins/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-says-rcna7189

Baldwin has said the gun fired by itself. Anyone who knows guns knows this is an impossibility. The only way that could happen is if a round was already chambered in the breech and the guns hammer was struck, from a fall or blow. This would in turn strike the firing pin, firing a round.

Secondly, what was live ammunition doing on a movie set ? This killing sounds like a cover-up for an intentional murder.

Thirdly, anyone who knows and understand guns automatically assumes the gun is loaded and doesn't point it at anyone. That being said, guns with blanks are pointed at people in Hollywood movies without deadly consequences all the time.

August · 01-19-23, 07:23 PM

And I understand that he wasn't supposed to even be pointing it at the victim in the first place. She wasn't an actor rehearsing a scene with him. He was horsing around I think.

Skybird · 01-19-23, 07:29 PM

Not even the husband of the killed woman says that it was anything different than an accident. I assume the weapon master, who is also charged, mistook the rounds when preparing the weapon for the next scene. That soaunds like the most plausible hypothesis to me so far.

Or a third person replaced the rounds after that preparation, then it would be either murder, or manslaughter due to somebody making a "joke" by wanting to scare them, assuming the bullet would go into a wall or tree. But i dont think so.

I think I read that the weapons master had a problem with her work license or the police or an according job before. But that was back when the incident happened, so is some time agao now, and so I dont remember exactly anymore.

And that much i care not anyway.

Buddahaid · 01-19-23, 07:57 PM

Don't forget the 480 fatal shooting accidents that happen every year in the US. This is just one involving a disliked personality.

Commander Wallace · 01-19-23, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Don't forget the 480 fatal shooting accidents that happen every year in the US. This is just one involving a disliked personality.

I think you may have it backwards. Baldwin wasn't a disliked personality until he murdered someone and then made up a story and lie to cover up his stupidity.

Buddahaid · 01-19-23, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

I think you may have it backwards. Baldwin wasn't a disliked personality until he murdered someone and then made up a story and lie to cover up his stupidity.

Perhaps but he also mocked Trump and faced the ire of MAGA devotees.

Commander Wallace · 01-19-23, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Perhaps but he also mocked Trump and faced the ire of MAGA devotees.

That may be true as well. This incident that Baldwin has just been charged with has just added fuel to the fire.

August · 01-19-23, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Perhaps but he also mocked Trump and faced the ire of MAGA devotees.

He's not hated like Vietnam veterans hate Jane Fonda.

Sean C · 01-19-23, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

Baldwin has said the gun fired by itself. Anyone who knows guns knows this is an impossibility. The only way that could happen is if a round was already chambered in the breech and the guns hammer was struck, from a fall or blow. This would in turn strike the firing pin, firing a round.

That's generally true for real guns. But the quote says "a real bullet was fired from a prop gun". Maybe the "prop" functioned like a real gun, maybe it didn't. What I find a little surprising is that a prop would be able to fire a real bullet without exploding itself.

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Originally Posted by August

And I understand that he wasn't supposed to even be pointing it at the victim in the first place. She wasn't an actor rehearsing a scene with him. He was horsing around I think.

I read earlier that he was pointing the gun "at the camera" as he practiced cross-drawing. I suppose the deceased was standing very near to the camera.

Commander Wallace · 01-19-23, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean C

That's generally true for real guns. But the quote says "a real bullet was fired from a prop gun". Maybe the "prop" functioned like a real gun, maybe it didn't. What I find a little surprising is that a prop would be able to fire a real bullet without exploding itself.

I read earlier that he was pointing the gun "at the camera" as he practiced cross-drawing. I suppose the deceased was standing very near to the camera.

What you have said makes sense. To be completely fair, I wasn't there and have no idea what really happened. I do know Baldwin's account of the gun firing by itself is impossible.

Further, what was real ammunition doing on the set of a movie ? Certainly the prop people check that, repeating those checks over and over. I would assume people will be trying to answer that in the coming months.

Safety certainly wasn't a concern on this movie set or perhaps it was just incompetence. Never, ever assume anything, especially a firearm, is safe without checking. I would have thought they would know that without being told. Complacency and or assumptions are something that cause tragedies and for lives to be lost.

Buddahaid · 01-19-23, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by August

He's not hated like Vietnam veterans hate Jane Fonda.

Well that clears that up.

nikimcbee · 01-20-23, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by August

He's not hated like Vietnam veterans hate Jane Fonda.

You mean Hanoi Jane.

Eichhörnchen · 01-20-23, 03:28 AM

My feelings about it: I feel deeply sorry for Alec Baldwin (and that is not meant to be dismissive of the deceased in any way)

Jimbuna · 01-20-23, 06:11 AM

IMHO it was a tragic accident but if negligence is proven then the person at fault will obviously be answerable.

MaDef · 01-20-23, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

IMHO it was a tragic accident but if negligence is proven then the person at fault will obviously be answerable.

I handle firearms on a daily basis, this was no accident, it was an incident, and it was negligent on the part of both the onsite armorer and Baldwin.

01-19-23, 07:03 PM	#1
Commander Wallace Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Under the sea in an Octupus garden in the shade Posts: 5,017 Downloads: 360 Uploads: 0	Alec Baldwin formally charged with Manslaughter in 'Rust’ shooting of Halyna Hutchins Alec Baldwin will be criminally charged for his part in the " Rust " movie scene where Baldwin fatally shot cinematographer Halyna Hutchins. Quote: New Mexico prosecutors brought the same charge against the movie’s armorer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, after a real bullet was fired from a prop gun by Baldwin on the movie set in October 2021. Assistant director David Halls, who handed the loaded gun to the actor, accepted a misdemeanor charge in a plea deal. “If any one of these three people — Alec Baldwin, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, or David Halls — had done their job, Halyna Hutchins would be alive today. It’s that simple,” special prosecutor Andrea Reeb said. Baldwin and Gutierrez-Reed will both be charged “in the alternative,” meaning the jury will decide which of the two charges — involuntary manslaughter or involuntary manslaughter in the commission of a lawful act — they are or are not guilty of. The first charge carries a maximum sentence of 18 months, but because the second charge includes a firearm enhancement, both Baldwin and Gutierrez-Reed would face a mandatory five year sentence if convicted. https://nypost.com/2023/01/19/alec-b...lyna-hutchins/ https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-says-rcna7189 Baldwin has said the gun fired by itself. Anyone who knows guns knows this is an impossibility. The only way that could happen is if a round was already chambered in the breech and the guns hammer was struck, from a fall or blow. This would in turn strike the firing pin, firing a round. Secondly, what was live ammunition doing on a movie set ? This killing sounds like a cover-up for an intentional murder. Thirdly, anyone who knows and understand guns automatically assumes the gun is loaded and doesn't point it at anyone. That being said, guns with blanks are pointed at people in Hollywood movies without deadly consequences all the time.

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August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 22,667 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	And I understand that he wasn't supposed to even be pointing it at the victim in the first place. She wasn't an actor rehearsing a scene with him. He was horsing around I think. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,493 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Not even the husband of the killed woman says that it was anything different than an accident. I assume the weapon master, who is also charged, mistook the rounds when preparing the weapon for the next scene. That soaunds like the most plausible hypothesis to me so far. Or a third person replaced the rounds after that preparation, then it would be either murder, or manslaughter due to somebody making a "joke" by wanting to scare them, assuming the bullet would go into a wall or tree. But i dont think so. I think I read that the weapons master had a problem with her work license or the police or an according job before. But that was back when the incident happened, so is some time agao now, and so I dont remember exactly anymore. And that much i care not anyway. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,557 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	Don't forget the 480 fatal shooting accidents that happen every year in the US. This is just one involving a disliked personality. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

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Eichhörnchen Starte das Auto Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: The Fens Posts: 15,745 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	My feelings about it: I feel deeply sorry for Alec Baldwin (and that is not meant to be dismissive of the deceased in any way) __________________

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,175 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	IMHO it was a tragic accident but if negligence is proven then the person at fault will obviously be answerable. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)