Here we go again-Ukraine once again - Page 559

August · 11-22-22, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Exocet25fr

About ICC and bothsides War Crimes!

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2...-by-ukrainians

While it is true that in every war both sides will commit what are considered to be war crimes, in this case the overwhelming number and extensive degree of Russia's many crimes in this conflict eclipse any isolated Ukrainian transgressions that you or your Russian propaganda sources might dig up.
For example your big and very flawed accusation of Ukrainians shooting prisoners in an isolated incident pales in comparison to the mass murders committed in places like Bucha and at a number of Ukrainian cities and towns as a matter of Russian standard policy. It pales in comparison to the Russia's ethnic cleansing efforts. It pales in comparison to the tens of thousands of Ukrainian children they kidnapped, the widespread looting and the thousands more war crimes that Russia has committed every day since they attacked a peaceful neighboring country.

Jimbuna · 11-22-22, 01:06 PM

Jimbuna · 11-22-22, 01:24 PM

Russia has resources for another 3-4 massive missile strikes, - Danilov

Oleksiy Danilov said that Russia still has "too many" S-300 missiles.

As Censor.NET informs, Oleksii Danilov, the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council, said on Radio Liberty.

"We have reliable information about the presence of certain types of weapons on the territory of the Russian Federation. We have an understanding of how many remain - less than 10% of certain missiles remain, there are missiles with 18% remaining, and there are missiles that, unfortunately, are to hell with the territory The Russian Federation is S-300 missiles. There are too many of them. They are now being used in the Zaporizhzhia, Kherson, and Kharkiv regions. They still have a lot of them. As for high-precision missiles, we are well aware of how many they have today. If everything were all right, then they would definitely not turn to another country (Iran - ed.) in order to help them with missiles," he said.

According to him, Russia has the resources for 3-4 massive strikes equivalent to the attack that took place on November 15.

"The attack that took place on November 15 was one of the most powerful. If we are talking about such a shelling that took place on the 15th, then this is a maximum of three or four more times they can carry out such shelling," the NSDC secretary added. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382384

Scholz called on Germany to be ready for escalation of war in Ukraine

Chancellor Olaf Scholz said that Germany should be ready for an escalation of the situation in Ukraine. It can consist in the destruction of infrastructure.

This was reported by Censor.NET with reference to Reuters.

"Given the development of the war and Russia's visible and growing failures ... we must be prepared for escalation," Scholz said at a conference in Berlin organized by the Sueddeutsche Zeitung newspaper.

Scholz said his recent trip to China was worth it to outline the two countries' joint position against the use of nuclear weapons.

During his visit to China earlier this month, Scholz and Chinese President Xi Jinping condemned threats to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine.

Scholz said the 100 billion euro defense fund announced after the Russian invasion was the result of a lesson learned while building up the defense stockpile of the German armed forces. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382338

Exocet25fr · 11-22-22, 05:31 PM

NATO expansion: The origins of the current serious crisis

https://en.reseauinternational.net/e...-actuelle-1-3/

mapuc · 11-22-22, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exocet25fr

NATO expansion: The origins of the current serious crisis

https://en.reseauinternational.net/e...-actuelle-1-3/

Ukraine have some agreement with Nato and some of the former soviet states like Poland, Romania and their army has since 2014 been trained by Nato
-But they were very far from becoming a Nato member-Now after Russia has invaded Ukraine...their step towards a membership has taken some huge leap.

Markus

les green01 · 11-22-22, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

Ukraine have some agreement with Nato and some of the former soviet states like Poland, Romania and their army has since 2014 been trained by Nato
-But they were very far from becoming a Nato member-Now after Russia has invaded Ukraine...their step towards a membership has taken some huge leap.

Markus

well said Markus,best thing i ever did was put Exocet25fr on the ignore list only time on here i use it(hey it works) honest with you I'm not for sure if he trolling or not sometimes, he wants us to think he in french sometimes russia well least now i don't have to read his garbage

Skybird · 11-22-22, 07:00 PM

The NATO expansion arugment now is old and outdated. And anyway, even if one would have considere dit to be valid at soem apst time, it doe snot justify the ammount of atrocities, barbarism and genocide Putler has unleashed. BTW, his historic narration simpyl is historically wrong, simply that. Nationalistic mysticism.

But the narration by Russia doe snot even refer to that anymore, but Putler simply denied Ukrainians the righ to exist. He explicitly and literally said that,. in plain an´d straightforward words he said that. He claimed the right of Russia for ethnical cleansing and genocide. The amount of horrors and terrors, mas smurder sdan dintneitonalyl massacres of civlians, unleashed by the Russian fascists, stand in the same inhumane tradition like that established by Stalin, Hitler, and more ancient beasts like these.

Dont waste your breath, Markus, that Exocet guy sounds as if he is enlisted at the Russian services paying an army of trolls to conduct this kind of propanda war against the Western media world. At least he ticks all the boxes on the Russian troll description list, and his narration copies their blueprints perfectly. You have non chance to reach him with with any arguments or reason.

The only people who can decide whether or not they want to join Russia, are the Ukrainians themselves. And even the overwhelming majority of Russian-tongued Ukrainians are against that and are bitterly opposed to Russia now.

Putler calculated very badly when he decided for war. He has gotten old an foolish. And now he is toast, this way or the other. He just tries to delay the realisation some time longer. I said that already some months ago: Putin is done. And I stick to it.

What I also said, however, was that the Ukriane may pay for the successful self-defence with enormous destructions. Its unfair that all battle damages affect only Ukraine, not Russian soil and industries. we should have given them the long-reaching weapons to pay out to the Russians the change in the currency the Russians had chosen: and so attacking bases and industry in Russia. It should be Russian industries and cities burning, not Ukrainian. It should be Russians sitting in darkness and in the cold, not the Ukrainians. For it were the Russians attacking, not the Ukrainians.

Whjat we can now do is help Ukrainians to kill as many Russian men as possible. The bloodbath Putler has initiated will seriously affect the demographic future of Russia even if they have kidnapped tens of thousand of children to raise them as Russians in Russia (another one of these barbaric and unbelievable atrocities committed by the Russians). The psyhcologtic damage formt hsi war will deeply sink into the collective soul. And nothign good will come form this. Russia will just sink back even deeper into darkness and give birth to even more of a brutalised, violent national soul.

This war will haunt Russia like WW2 haunts the German psyche until today. Just the consequences will look very different. The Germans turned into helpless, fearful mimimis. The Russians I fear will turn into even more violent barbars. This reservoir of future brutality must be kept a close eye on. Containing it in the future will be a generational task - parallel to the challenge posed by China.

Who said this century will become easier than the last one...?

Reece · 11-22-22, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by les green01

well said Markus,best thing i ever did was put Exocet25fr on the ignore list only time on here i use it(hey it works) honest with you I'm not for sure if he trolling or not sometimes, he wants us to think he in french sometimes russia well least now i don't have to read his garbage

Thanks for the tip Les, the first person added to my list!!!

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Dont waste your breath, Markus, that Exocet guy sounds as if he is enlisted at the Russian services paying an army of trolls to conduct this kind of propanda war against the Western media world.

Commander Wallace · 11-22-22, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by les green01

well said Markus,best thing i ever did was put Exocet25fr on the ignore list only time on here i use it(hey it works) honest with you I'm not for sure if he trolling or not sometimes, he wants us to think he in french sometimes russia well least now i don't have to read his garbage

Good advice Les on sanctioning Exocet25fr. @ Skybird. Good advice as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reece

Thanks for the tip Les, the first person added to my list!!!

Great stuff Reece.

Catfish · 11-23-22, 04:39 AM

This is hilarious, especially the "we will rock you" beat

Must be 50 people, and so totally not staged

HunterICX · 11-23-22, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Exocet25fr

The villains in this conflict are the anglo saxon: usa with cia and their little slave doggie with mi6 !

Be serious!, Russians shell and destroyed their own positions, their own pipelines, their own bridge, and now they have their own GUANTANAMO and give viagra to violate ukrainian women?, our, EUROPEAN aren't stupid!

So Russian vs Russian don't need ennemies...!

No, we Europeans aren't stupid...but after having red everything you posted I got bad news for you though.

Commander Wallace · 11-23-22, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by HunterICX

No, we Europeans aren't stupid...but after having red everything you posted I got bad news for you though.

Good to see you here in the forums, Hunter.

However, you are wasting your time with Exocet25fr. He sees things as he does and that's it.

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Originally Posted by August

While it is true that in every war both sides will commit what are considered to be war crimes, in this case the overwhelming number and extensive degree of Russia's many crimes in this conflict eclipse any isolated Ukrainian transgressions that you or your Russian propaganda sources might dig up.
For example your big and very flawed accusation of Ukrainians shooting prisoners in an isolated incident pales in comparison to the mass murders committed in places like Bucha and at a number of Ukrainian cities and towns as a matter of Russian standard policy. It pales in comparison to the Russia's ethnic cleansing efforts. It pales in comparison to the tens of thousands of Ukrainian children they kidnapped, the widespread looting and the thousands more war crimes that Russia has committed every day since they attacked a peaceful neighboring country.

Unless I am wrong, It was never proven that the Ukrainians ever executed anyone. It may have happened and maybe even likely. As you pointed out, even if true, it pales in comparison to what Russia has done in this conflict. In this case, the Ukraine could be excused a bit for being angry and taking liberties with what are essentially, invaders.

It seems to be well established that Russia is better at executing deserters and women and children. Russia is better at trying to put together " false flag " operations as well from their tired operations guide. Reports of the Ukraine executing prisoners is more likely more propaganda from Russia to try to dissuade their own soldiers from deserting or defecting to the Ukraine.

Catfish · 11-23-22, 08:15 AM

European Parliament declares Russia a state sponsor of terrorism

Reuters

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...sm-2022-11-23/

Skybird · 11-23-22, 08:17 AM

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/22/e...ntl/index.html

It may be Boris "the Clown" Johnson speaking, but his comments sound absolutely credible to me. Especially regarding Berlin and Paris.

The pro-Russian attitude in large parts of the political left in Germany still persists. The balance of sympathies slowly shifts against Ukraine in Germany. Puplic opinion is in a slow but constant slide away from Ukraine, and towards Russia. Some is due to economic opporutnism. Much is due to felt sentiments and the unwillingness to question long held own illusions.

Catfish · 11-23-22, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

Good to see you here in the forums, Hunter.

Yes! Has been some time

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Unless I am wrong, It was never proven that the Ukrainians ever executed anyone. It may have happened and maybe even likely. As you pointed out, even if true, it pales in comparison to what Russia has done in this conflict. In this case, the Ukraine could be excused a bit for being angry and taking liberties with what are essentially, invaders.

It seems to be well established that Russia is better at executing deserters and women and children. Russia is better at trying to put together " false flag " operations as well from their tired operations guide. Reports of the Ukraine executing prisoners is more likely more propaganda from Russia to try to dissuade their own soldiers from deserting or defecting to the Ukraine.

Wrote this in another forum –
(re Russia claiming ten russian soldiers killed after surrendering)

"Even if true, not quite a comparison with what Russia did and does, the sheer amount of numbers killed (add 6,600 ukrainian civilians), with thousands of ukrainian citizens, mothers and children abducted to Russia, adding atrocities, torture, barbarism and genocide – what "Russia said" has no merit.

Yep sh!t happens in a war, in every war. Now who started this internationally outlawed war of aggression?
So how did and do the russian invaders behave in Ukraine?
I am astonished how reluctant Ukraine's soldiers are behaving towards those invaders, there could be much more kills of surrendering russian soldiers out of pure hate, and quite understandable after what we saw. The lowest form of life are these "Wagner" mercenaries."

As Skybird wrote it does not make sense what "Russia said" or says, Ukraine is being denied the right to exist by Russia/Putin. He claimed Russia's "right" for ethnical cleansing and genocide.
Whoever wants to fight for this has to expect some resistance, and also hate. It is about survival.
It is indeed astonishing how lenient the ukrainian soldiers are when it comes to surrendering russians.

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11-22-22, 01:24 PM	#8373
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,217 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Russia has resources for another 3-4 massive missile strikes, - Danilov Oleksiy Danilov said that Russia still has "too many" S-300 missiles. As Censor.NET informs, Oleksii Danilov, the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council, said on Radio Liberty. "We have reliable information about the presence of certain types of weapons on the territory of the Russian Federation. We have an understanding of how many remain - less than 10% of certain missiles remain, there are missiles with 18% remaining, and there are missiles that, unfortunately, are to hell with the territory The Russian Federation is S-300 missiles. There are too many of them. They are now being used in the Zaporizhzhia, Kherson, and Kharkiv regions. They still have a lot of them. As for high-precision missiles, we are well aware of how many they have today. If everything were all right, then they would definitely not turn to another country (Iran - ed.) in order to help them with missiles," he said. According to him, Russia has the resources for 3-4 massive strikes equivalent to the attack that took place on November 15. "The attack that took place on November 15 was one of the most powerful. If we are talking about such a shelling that took place on the 15th, then this is a maximum of three or four more times they can carry out such shelling," the NSDC secretary added. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382384 Scholz called on Germany to be ready for escalation of war in Ukraine Chancellor Olaf Scholz said that Germany should be ready for an escalation of the situation in Ukraine. It can consist in the destruction of infrastructure. This was reported by Censor.NET with reference to Reuters. "Given the development of the war and Russia's visible and growing failures ... we must be prepared for escalation," Scholz said at a conference in Berlin organized by the Sueddeutsche Zeitung newspaper. Scholz said his recent trip to China was worth it to outline the two countries' joint position against the use of nuclear weapons. During his visit to China earlier this month, Scholz and Chinese President Xi Jinping condemned threats to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine. Scholz said the 100 billion euro defense fund announced after the Russian invasion was the result of a lesson learned while building up the defense stockpile of the German armed forces. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382338 __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

11-22-22, 05:31 PM	#8374
Exocet25fr Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Paris/France Posts: 765 Downloads: 254 Uploads: 0	NATO expansion: The origins of the current serious crisis https://en.reseauinternational.net/e...-actuelle-1-3/ __________________ \"Le Triomphant\" listens you !

11-22-22, 07:00 PM	#8377
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,501 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	The NATO expansion arugment now is old and outdated. And anyway, even if one would have considere dit to be valid at soem apst time, it doe snot justify the ammount of atrocities, barbarism and genocide Putler has unleashed. BTW, his historic narration simpyl is historically wrong, simply that. Nationalistic mysticism. But the narration by Russia doe snot even refer to that anymore, but Putler simply denied Ukrainians the righ to exist. He explicitly and literally said that,. in plain an´d straightforward words he said that. He claimed the right of Russia for ethnical cleansing and genocide. The amount of horrors and terrors, mas smurder sdan dintneitonalyl massacres of civlians, unleashed by the Russian fascists, stand in the same inhumane tradition like that established by Stalin, Hitler, and more ancient beasts like these. Dont waste your breath, Markus, that Exocet guy sounds as if he is enlisted at the Russian services paying an army of trolls to conduct this kind of propanda war against the Western media world. At least he ticks all the boxes on the Russian troll description list, and his narration copies their blueprints perfectly. You have non chance to reach him with with any arguments or reason. The only people who can decide whether or not they want to join Russia, are the Ukrainians themselves. And even the overwhelming majority of Russian-tongued Ukrainians are against that and are bitterly opposed to Russia now. Putler calculated very badly when he decided for war. He has gotten old an foolish. And now he is toast, this way or the other. He just tries to delay the realisation some time longer. I said that already some months ago: Putin is done. And I stick to it. What I also said, however, was that the Ukriane may pay for the successful self-defence with enormous destructions. Its unfair that all battle damages affect only Ukraine, not Russian soil and industries. we should have given them the long-reaching weapons to pay out to the Russians the change in the currency the Russians had chosen: and so attacking bases and industry in Russia. It should be Russian industries and cities burning, not Ukrainian. It should be Russians sitting in darkness and in the cold, not the Ukrainians. For it were the Russians attacking, not the Ukrainians. Whjat we can now do is help Ukrainians to kill as many Russian men as possible. The bloodbath Putler has initiated will seriously affect the demographic future of Russia even if they have kidnapped tens of thousand of children to raise them as Russians in Russia (another one of these barbaric and unbelievable atrocities committed by the Russians). The psyhcologtic damage formt hsi war will deeply sink into the collective soul. And nothign good will come form this. Russia will just sink back even deeper into darkness and give birth to even more of a brutalised, violent national soul. This war will haunt Russia like WW2 haunts the German psyche until today. Just the consequences will look very different. The Germans turned into helpless, fearful mimimis. The Russians I fear will turn into even more violent barbars. This reservoir of future brutality must be kept a close eye on. Containing it in the future will be a generational task - parallel to the challenge posed by China. Who said this century will become easier than the last one...? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 11-22-22 at 07:11 PM.

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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	This is hilarious, especially the "we will rock you" beat Must be 50 people, and so totally not staged __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	European Parliament declares Russia a state sponsor of terrorism Reuters https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...sm-2022-11-23/ __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 11-23-22 at 10:25 AM.*

11-23-22, 08:17 AM	#8384
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,501 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/22/e...ntl/index.html It may be Boris "the Clown" Johnson speaking, but his comments sound absolutely credible to me. Especially regarding Berlin and Paris. The pro-Russian attitude in large parts of the political left in Germany still persists. The balance of sympathies slowly shifts against Ukraine in Germany. Puplic opinion is in a slow but constant slide away from Ukraine, and towards Russia. Some is due to economic opporutnism. Much is due to felt sentiments and the unwillingness to question long held own illusions. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.