Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[mapuc]

Zelensky is excellent comedian. He turned "world's second most powerful military" into joke in just few weeks.

https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/st...94869797158914

Markus

[Shady Bill]

There is a big difference between having nukes and being able to deploy them effectively or in Russia's case, at all.


Not sure if any of you ever driven a Lada car? You ever bought a fine Russian watch? (They don't exist). This entire state is in decay.


The only reason Russia remains a world power, is because of the shirtless tyrant shooting red deer with a cross bow from 20 feet away.

Now that man is growing old, old men are not vigorous and turns out that was
all the Russians had....smoke screen...40+ year old silos.



a red button that does nothing when pressed.

[FUBAR295]

Originally Posted by kpv1974

Hitler said, I will force the German nation to be respected.
Putin went the same way.

True respect is earned, not done with bellicose bluster and threats.

[kpv1974]

Originally Posted by FUBAR295

True respect is earned, not done with bellicose bluster and threats.

It means that the end of this adventure is historically predetermined.
You can not step on the same rake.

[Shady Bill]

Originally Posted by kpv1974

Hitler said, I will force the German nation to be respected.
Putin went the same way.

You think Russia is being respected anywhere? They are the laughing stock
of the world right now and most likely for the foreseeable future.

Hitler almost conquered the world. Putin can't hold onto a couple hundred square miles.


When the Russian oligarchs have had enough of Putin's madness things will change. Change will never come from the Russian people themselves; It is an inherent "sheep" mentality that is very hard for them to overcome.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Gorpet

What? The American people better wake up.We don't have bite on a dogs bone over there.That's an EU problem' It's their backyard. Their so great let's see how they can handle it without the Americans for 1 time.

The US military complex profits skyrockets because of the invasion of Ukraine same goes for the energy industry for the US this war is a god sent present finally they can fix the Russia problem they so eager they're willing to sent about +1 billion per month, and they will make a lot of money of it nothing you can do about that that is capitalism deal with it.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Russia better not use nukes on Ukraine. The Russian people better wake up and pull their head out of their ass. There won't be any business as usual with Russians if this happens.

It will mean the destruction of the Russian army if they ever dare.

[Dargo]

Biden announced a new $625 million military aid package in a conversation with Zelensky.
It will include:
- 4 HIMARS installations and ammunition;
- 16 155-mm howitzers (M777?);
- 16 105-mm howitzers;
- 200 MRAP MaxxPro machines;
- 75,000 155-mm shells;
- 500 high-precision 155-mm shells (M982 Excalibur?);
- 1,000 155-mm RAAMS shells;
- 30,000 120-mm mines;
- 200,000 cartridges for small arms;
- equipment for setting obstacles;
- Claymore mines;
- other equipment.

https://www.defense.gov/News/Release...e-for-ukraine/

[Dargo]

The Russians abandoned the Oskil River line, Ukrainian defenders advanced to liberate all of Kharkiv region. The liberation of Luhansk region has begun, the Russians may attempt to hold the Kreminna-Svatove-Troits'ke line along Route 66 but give them no change with the type and state of troops on those fronts. The Armed Forces of Ukraine have Route 66 in Luhansk region under their fire control, this cuts the connection between Kreminna and Svatove and constrains the Russians temporarily occupying those towns.



Russian units defeated on these fronts were previously considered among Putin’s top conventional fighting forces.

[Dargo]

In less than two weeks after the partial mobilisation was announced, about 700,000 people left Russia.

Source: Forbes, citing multiple sources

Details: According to one source, almost 1 million people have left Russia since the beginning of the mobilisation. The second source, in the administration of the President of the Russian Federation, reports that between 600,000 and 700,000 Russians have left the country. The magazine’s source emphasised that it is not yet clear what percentage of people left the country as tourists.

According to Forbes, the media previously cited the figure of 194,000 Russians who left for Georgia, Kazakhstan and Finland in the week after the announcement of mobilisation. At the beginning of September, even before the announcement of partial mobilisation, the Federal State Statistics Service (Russia) stated that 419,000 people had left the Russian Federation in the first half of 2022 – twice as many as in the same period the previous year. There was a net migration outflow (- 96,000) in the first six months of 2022, as compared to a net inflow of 114,000 during the same period in 2021 https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/10/4/7370341/

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by kpv1974

we see. and you see. But we don't know what to do with it.
You see, he is a dictator. And all the laws he made for himself.

Everything that is said against him - entails criminal punishment.

PS: in 1933, the people of Germany did not understand where they were drawn into.
There were talks about the shameful Brest Peace, when Germany admitted its defeat and this was a humiliation of the German nation.

Hitler said, I will force the German nation to be respected.
Putin went the same way.

I agree, however.. in 1944 Hitler said that if Germany was not able to defend itself against the "invaders" [sic!] it had no right to survive, and he gave appropriate orders, to burn all, to raze Paris before evacuating and so on; it is only that a few generals refused to do this. Imagine if he had had nuclear weapons.

[Dargo]

Moscow could rush in ill-prepared troops now, or wait to send better-trained ones next year and risk further Ukrainian gains meanwhile
Russia’s defense minister said 200,000 men had entered the army as part of a mobilization drive that began last month as the rapid advance of Ukrainian forces into Russian-occupied territories outpaces Moscow’s ability to pour in reinforcements.

The suggestion that Russia is already two-thirds of the way toward the target the minister, Sergei Shoigu, announced last month follows criticism of the call-up process—including from Russian President Vladimir Putin. But it raises questions as to whether the depleted Russian military will be able to cope with the sheer numbers of new recruits and use them effectively.

Western military analysts say Moscow faces a dilemma. It could rush ill-prepared troops to the front line to try to stem the losses—with likely little effect on the war’s momentum. Or it could wait until next year and send in better trained and equipped troops that could potentially make a difference on the battlefield. But by that time, Ukrainian forces could have secured significant further gains.

“It’s not going to help the Russians, at least not this winter, and they may well lose ground before that,” said Lawrence Freedman, professor emeritus of war studies at Kings College London.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-...ce-11664902438

[Dargo]

With the Antonovsky bridge in the state it is in and limited water crossing capacity, we could be looking at a mass surrender or worse in Kherson. Russia, already shocked by the mounting losses, could have to confront an unprecedented type of loss in this war so far. One source has told me the amount of equipment Ukraine will seize in this operation, if they indeed push to the Dnipro river banks in Kherson, will be totally unprecedented. Tons of trapped equipment that can't cross back to the other side of the river. "It will supply Ukraine for the next phase of campaign. Massive windfall. Some of it has been sitting for a long time already. It's not going anywhere and they are not destroying this stuff. High-end stuff. SAMs, EW, armor." https://twitter.com/Aviation_Intel/s...75414728921088

[Catfish]

An idea
How about fully suporting Ukraine with all means, let them take back the Donbass and Krimea.
Ukraine gets back its territory and does some referenda in Donbass etc.
(hard to top Putin's 114 percent pro-russian, but ok make it 115 percent )
Then internationally accept Ukraine and all of its territory as "annexed" in the borders of pre-2014.
(Internationally meaning all nations sans Russia, North Koea (and maybe China. But only maybe).)

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Dargo

Biden announced a new $625 million military aid package in a conversation with Zelensky.
It will include:
- 4 HIMARS installations and ammunition;
- 16 155-mm howitzers (M777?);
- 16 105-mm howitzers;
- 200 MRAP MaxxPro machines;
- 75,000 155-mm shells;
- 500 high-precision 155-mm shells (M982 Excalibur?);
- 1,000 155-mm RAAMS shells;
- 30,000 120-mm mines;
- 200,000 cartridges for small arms;
- equipment for setting obstacles;
- Claymore mines;
- other equipment.

https://www.defense.gov/News/Release...e-for-ukraine/

Pentagon confirms that 500 precision-guided 155 mm artillery rounds in the latest security package for Ukraine are Excalibur rounds. https://twitter.com/OstapYarysh/stat...79860938268672