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Drewcifer · 01-26-11, 08:08 PM

I say let him build it.

That in mind I also think everybody has to keep in mind its a BETA and whenever something game changing comes out we need to bring on a new map.

Krauter · 01-26-11, 08:24 PM

Well I don't think a new map every huge update needs to be taken as a rule.

Take for example the new biomes, yes because it changed terrain features, etc it needed to be changed. But if new mobs, and recipes are added, then I don't think we need to change a map for that, do you?

Dowly · 01-26-11, 08:33 PM

Hey, not saying he can't build it.

There's alot of things Notch doesnt say in detail when he updates.

Like the rareness of iron, I don't recall him never mentioning that it was upped, but it was. And with more members in the team, Notch isn't even aware of all the changes (for example, Notch thouch birch/pine trees would drop birch/pine saplings until players proved him wrong).

The problem is, that new ores/plants/blocks aren't generated into existing blocks. Say, Notch includes the brown dye stuff, cocoa bean, all who wants it, needs to go beyond known chunks to get it.

All I am saying is that HUGE project simply aren't worth it at beta stage IMHO.

Drewcifer · 01-26-11, 08:34 PM

Well now your just being a pain in my side..

I meant the map change as a rough guideline. OBVIOUSLY not every update demands a map change.

Krauter · 01-26-11, 08:38 PM

@ Dowly I agree with that completely. (and as for birch/pine trees dropping specific saplings I thought that was supposed to be implemented too

)

@ Drew; sorry not meaning to be a pest

Dowly · 01-26-11, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drewcifer

Well now your just being a pain in my side..

I meant the map change as a rough guideline. OBVIOUSLY not every update demands a map change.

All I am saying is that it is a beta and I believe it says somewher along the install to 'not get fond of your saved games'.

I'm not sure if you really understand how big a 450x450 + dig down really is, nor do I, but I would guess it's hundreds of thousands if not millions of blocks.

I'm all for big projects, they look F'ng awesome when finished. Just making sure Spike knows where he is getting into.

Re: Krauters 'I think that's not particularly fair to Spike...' comment,

Well, we got what, 6-8 players who are regulars. Say, there's a big update, that really changes the game, would it not be more fair for the 6-8 players to start a new world than wait for one player to finish his project, which would be "erased" by the new map the moment he/she is finished?

Sorry for being so straight, a tad drunk here... people should be more straightforward tho... much easier..

Drewcifer · 01-26-11, 09:19 PM

Not sure why I was quoted? I was agreeing with you, the state of the game dictates there will be map changes.

Besides I'm the sort that wants the experience the new stuff from a new start to speak. not mingled in with all the old.

That being said I tried to message you on steam Dowly I was traped in a hole and needed a drunk to save me.. oddly enough it was in the admin area so I couldn't break blocks. LUCKLY Keab came to my rescue with the all mighty block of dirt so that I might leap out.

Krauter · 01-26-11, 09:47 PM

Like I said I agree with the fact that a new map would be best for all

What I mean by that's not particularly fair is ONLY in a sense that you didn't want him to, or rather wouldn't recommend him, to pursue the project.

On the contrary however, if we have, 6-8 regulars, as you say, and ONE person has a huge project that needs completion, I say we either, as you say, say screw it (which would be my first option to pick), OR, we as a community, help that person finish the project.
Now that doesn't mean that if spike has only dug his 450x450 area down 10 layers we finish the hole and the castle. But I mean if all he had to do was finish the main castle structure, then yes I would want to help him finish it.

Cheers!

Krauter

ASWnut101 · 01-26-11, 09:59 PM

Sorry to butt in the conversation, but here's a little perspective...

Area of Spike's hole: 79108.95 blocks. Assuming he uses a diamond pickaxe (which I don't think he is), and he's going through nothing but smooth stone, it will take 46.55 days for him to go through 30 layers, about halfway to bedrock.

Make what you will of it, but might I suggest that someone lends him some TNT?

Krauter · 01-26-11, 10:07 PM

Thats what I suggested, but he said he can't because its too unpredictable.(he wants to maintain a centre pillar to build his castle on.)

Edit: And you're never butting in if you have something to say :P this is an open board

Spike88 · 01-27-11, 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASWnut101

Sorry to butt in the conversation, but here's a little perspective...

Area of Spike's hole: 79108.95 blocks. Assuming he uses a diamond pickaxe (which I don't think he is), and he's going through nothing but smooth stone, it will take 46.55 days for him to go through 30 layers, about halfway to bedrock.

Make what you will of it, but might I suggest that someone lends him some TNT?

Gee. Thanks for making it seem like such a huge project.

As for the whole argument on whether or not I should try any mega projects, or just wait until we get a finished game. What's the point of not trying?

It's not like I'm wasting time that could be spent doing something else, especially when I'm barely on. Sure it may end up just another project that doesn't get complete, but honestly, if it does not appear completable by the time we need a new map for an update, I'll just leave it be.

Now if it the hole was 90% finished and we got an update, I would ask for either A. Help or B. just more time. But other than that I don't think it's fair to tell everyone to wait for a new map just because I still want to work on the hole.

papa_smurf · 01-27-11, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Spike88

Gee. Thanks for making it seem like such a huge project.

As for the whole argument on whether or not I should try any mega projects, or just wait until we get a finished game. What's the point of not trying?

It's not like I'm wasting time that could be spent doing something else, especially when I'm barely on. Sure it may end up just another project that doesn't get complete, but honestly, if it does not appear completable by the time we need a new map for an update, I'll just leave it be.

Now if it the hole was 90% finished and we got an update, I would ask for either A. Help or B. just more time. But other than that I don't think it's fair to tell everyone to wait for a new map just because I still want to work on the hole.

I am glad that i'm just working on a small scale project, don't think I could manage such a large scale project.

Speaking of projects, my tower is 1/4 built. I demolished my garden as it was too exposed so it's going on top of the tower in a roof garden (may make it a greenhouse in the future). I'm building a staircase as I go up, which makes construction easy, and plan to have 2 levels with roof garden.

Next will be a boat house built in the style of a U-boat pen with a tunnel leading from my house straight to it, and after that will dig another tunnel that will lead directly to my mine, reducing the amount of time I need to spend in the open to just cutting trees down/re-planting them. That is, if I come up with a way of growing trees under ground

Wait....what am I doing? This projects going to get out of hand soon......

Krauter · 01-27-11, 07:58 AM

If you want to plant trees all you need is dirt and a lot of light. As for underground farms, you just need to dig trenches, fill with water, have dirt within 4 squares o that and a lot of light and your set.

papa_smurf · 01-27-11, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krauter

If you want to plant trees all you need is dirt and a lot of light. As for underground farms, you just need to dig trenches, fill with water, have dirt within 4 squares o that and a lot of light and your set.

Knew that

, was saying how easily things can get out of control with so many ideas you want to build.

Oberon · 01-27-11, 09:18 AM

The worlds of Minecraft lore are littered with the relics of Spikes unfinished projects, to have this world as an exception would just not be right

Although, to be fair, he did finish the pyramid and the Landing pad for the Space-Yamato, oh and his lovely castle in the first world so gotta give the guy some credit.

01-26-11, 09:59 PM	#1524
ASWnut101 Admiral Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,021 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Sorry to butt in the conversation, but here's a little perspective... Area of Spike's hole: 79108.95 blocks. Assuming he uses a diamond pickaxe (which I don't think he is), and he's going through nothing but smooth stone, it will take 46.55 days for him to go through 30 layers, about halfway to bedrock. Make what you will of it, but might I suggest that someone lends him some TNT? __________________

01-26-11, 08:08 PM	#1516
Drewcifer Commodore Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 601 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	I say let him build it. That in mind I also think everybody has to keep in mind its a BETA and whenever something game changing comes out we need to bring on a new map.

01-26-11, 08:33 PM	#1518
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,005 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Hey, not saying he can't build it. There's alot of things Notch doesnt say in detail when he updates. Like the rareness of iron, I don't recall him never mentioning that it was upped, but it was. And with more members in the team, Notch isn't even aware of all the changes (for example, Notch thouch birch/pine trees would drop birch/pine saplings until players proved him wrong). The problem is, that new ores/plants/blocks aren't generated into existing blocks. Say, Notch includes the brown dye stuff, cocoa bean, all who wants it, needs to go beyond known chunks to get it. All I am saying is that HUGE project simply aren't worth it at beta stage IMHO.

01-26-11, 08:34 PM	#1519
Drewcifer Commodore Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 601 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Well now your just being a pain in my side.. I meant the map change as a rough guideline. OBVIOUSLY not every update demands a map change.

01-26-11, 09:19 PM	#1522
Drewcifer Commodore Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 601 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Not sure why I was quoted? I was agreeing with you, the state of the game dictates there will be map changes. Besides I'm the sort that wants the experience the new stuff from a new start to speak. not mingled in with all the old. That being said I tried to message you on steam Dowly I was traped in a hole and needed a drunk to save me.. oddly enough it was in the admin area so I couldn't break blocks. LUCKLY Keab came to my rescue with the all mighty block of dirt so that I might leap out.

01-27-11, 09:18 AM	#1530
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	The worlds of Minecraft lore are littered with the relics of Spikes unfinished projects, to have this world as an exception would just not be right Although, to be fair, he did finish the pyramid and the Landing pad for the Space-Yamato, oh and his lovely castle in the first world so gotta give the guy some credit.