I Think It's Time For Me To Retire

Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense · 07-23-06, 04:55 PM

the recent events here have forced me to a decision that i really found difficult to make... but in the light of the recent senslessness i've witnessed on the General Forum, i must offer my regsignation to Neal as a forum admin here on the Subsim Indie board forum...

i can no longer in good conscience, continue to function in the capacity i once enjoyed...

the forum seems to be changing for the worse, and i take very seriously the kinds of people i associate myself with...

my contnued presence here would only serve as an unneccessary distraction to the entire forum, as i cannot stand by and watch what is going on here continue without commenting...

to all the good skippers of which i've enjoyed company with... may the wind be at your backs, and may all your dives equal all your surfacings...

permission to go ashore...

--Mike

Torplexed · 07-23-06, 10:48 PM

Sorry to see ya go Mike. You've been big part of the place for a long time.

Frankly, my way of dealing with all the wearisome tit-for-tat postings lately is to just not respond or ignore them, but I realize not everyone can in good conscience.

Hopefully, at some point in the future things will settle down again.

Kapitan · 07-24-06, 02:00 PM

Heck your one of us a band of brothers we were all born for one perpose and one perpose alone we cant let one of our own go like this !

Retire if you must but retire on a promise ! and that promise is to return here and atleast say hi to us all every now and then !

Permision granted

Good luck !

Kapitan · 07-24-06, 02:45 PM

Dont Forget "we Are In This Together From Begginging To End"

Linton · 07-24-06, 05:44 PM

It is a shame that we lose a member .There has been a lot of trash posted recently.I just ignore all the political postings or just read them back to front-that is always an amusement to see how a topic drifted and who was responsible!

Deamon · 07-24-06, 07:54 PM

As i saw the post title i thought for a moment you are going to retire from developement

But well...

Ahh, i remember some years ago, the nice discussions we had here with me, you, Manuel and Leif. All the inspiration and encouragement i got here. That were innocent times. But mostly i never look into the political discussions. To bussy with IUF.

I would ignore that stuff and create my own nice little universe outside of it.

What will be your main forum now, Mike ?

Deamon

Onkel Neal · 07-25-06, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deamon

As i saw the post title i thought for a moment you are going to retire from developement

But well...

Ahh, i remember some years ago, the nice discussions we had here with me, you, Manuel and Leif. All the inspiration and encouragement i got here. That were innocent times. But mostly i never look into the political discussions. To bussy with IUF.

I would ignore that stuff and create my own nice little universe outside of it.

What will be your main forum now, Mike ?

Deamon

That's exactly the way to go about it. If political discussions bother you, stay out of them. I really don't understand the "I must leave here" thinking.... does that means you will leave the internet altogether? Because there are thousands of forums and usergroups discussing these topics all throughout the web... the only way to avoid them is to avoid them. Subsim's GT forum is the same as all the rest, you can either choose to participate in it or avoid it. That should not preclude one from participating in the Indie subsim, SH3, DW or other forums....

XabbaRus · 07-25-06, 03:06 PM

Holy smolies Mike, you have taken a knife to your posts.

What's his web site address, I'll always keep an ey e on it.

See you around dude.

Sea Demon · 07-25-06, 09:02 PM

I always thought there were heated political discussions in the General Forum. At least for as long as I've been here. I haven't seen much change. I thought that's what the General Forum was for. Well that and all kinds of other topics. None of those kind of conversations happen in the DW, SH3, or other areas. So if you don't like that line of conversation, you don't participate.

As far as I'm concerned, Subsim is the best site around like this. Most other sites have General Forum discussion areas and the same happens there....more often worse. One other good thing about this site is the people who congregate here are an interesting and nice bunch of people with a variety of opinion.

Sad to see you go Mike.

XabbaRus · 07-26-06, 02:51 AM

Hmm of late they have got more antagonistic some are bordering on hateful. In fact when I first started here they weren't actually that bad.

I stay out of them mainly cos I can't be bothered putting across my views which certain people aren't going to agree with full stop and won't even bother moderating their position. Also the arguments are all circular.

Andy · 08-01-06, 04:19 PM

Neal, you and I have known one another a while and have corresponded offline and exchanged mail. I haven't been around much lately - there is a war after all. But Mike is correct. As the forum has expanded, some great members have been gained. There is also an inordinate amount of bilge. Not just friendly disagreement and discussion mind you, but rather harsh and hateful attacks that are beyond reason.

Mike, I understand the frustration and wish you the best. The board will be poorer for your absence.

08-19-06, 07:11 PM

Note:
Someone needs to take it easy -- edited by NS

Hitman · 08-23-06, 06:35 AM

Mike I agree completely with what Neal has said...I also participated some time ago in many threads about islam, muslims, etc. in the general forum. But I got burnt when i saw I was was dedicating my currently very scarce free time to engage in discussions that where not really going anywhere....so I left that GT forum to those who can/want to discuss like that, and i'm still here, at the classics & indie projects forums. Please consider doing the same!

Subsim.com is still the best naval web around and a good part of that is owed to people like you...after all the Gt forum is in fact just purely accesory to subsim.com.

em2nought · 09-02-06, 03:30 AM

Visiting subsim does give one a vague idea of what it must have been like to come back to the states from Vietnam.

green_abobo · 09-14-11, 09:18 PM

although i dont know you, i do wish you god speed and good luck on your future endevours.

in all likelyhood, its true WWII had to be fought. other than that...

i find it ironic that poiliticians start wars in which they deem the when, who, and where to fight them, as long as it doesnt actually involve those same politicians to do the actual dying.

thats what aggrivates me the most about politics.

07-23-06, 04:55 PM	#1
Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense Commander Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 445 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I Think It's Time For Me To Retire the recent events here have forced me to a decision that i really found difficult to make... but in the light of the recent senslessness i've witnessed on the General Forum, i must offer my regsignation to Neal as a forum admin here on the Subsim Indie board forum... i can no longer in good conscience, continue to function in the capacity i once enjoyed... the forum seems to be changing for the worse, and i take very seriously the kinds of people i associate myself with... my contnued presence here would only serve as an unneccessary distraction to the entire forum, as i cannot stand by and watch what is going on here continue without commenting... to all the good skippers of which i've enjoyed company with... may the wind be at your backs, and may all your dives equal all your surfacings... permission to go ashore... --Mike

07-23-06, 10:48 PM	#2
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Sorry to see ya go Mike. You've been big part of the place for a long time. Frankly, my way of dealing with all the wearisome tit-for-tat postings lately is to just not respond or ignore them, but I realize not everyone can in good conscience. Hopefully, at some point in the future things will settle down again. __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

07-24-06, 02:00 PM	#3
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,090 Downloads: 68 Uploads: 7	Heck your one of us a band of brothers we were all born for one perpose and one perpose alone we cant let one of our own go like this ! Retire if you must but retire on a promise ! and that promise is to return here and atleast say hi to us all every now and then ! Permision granted Good luck ! __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

07-24-06, 02:45 PM	#4
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,090 Downloads: 68 Uploads: 7	Dont Forget "we Are In This Together From Begginging To End" __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

07-24-06, 05:44 PM	#5
Linton Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	It is a shame that we lose a member .There has been a lot of trash posted recently.I just ignore all the political postings or just read them back to front-that is always an amusement to see how a topic drifted and who was responsible! __________________ http://lintonsview.blogspot.com/

07-24-06, 07:54 PM	#6
Deamon Commodore Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 642 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	As i saw the post title i thought for a moment you are going to retire from developement But well... Ahh, i remember some years ago, the nice discussions we had here with me, you, Manuel and Leif. All the inspiration and encouragement i got here. That were innocent times. But mostly i never look into the political discussions. To bussy with IUF. I would ignore that stuff and create my own nice little universe outside of it. What will be your main forum now, Mike ? Deamon Last edited by Deamon; 07-24-06 at 08:00 PM.

07-25-06, 03:06 PM	#8
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Holy smolies Mike, you have taken a knife to your posts. What's his web site address, I'll always keep an ey e on it. See you around dude. __________________

07-25-06, 09:02 PM	#9
Sea Demon Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2,552 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	I always thought there were heated political discussions in the General Forum. At least for as long as I've been here. I haven't seen much change. I thought that's what the General Forum was for. Well that and all kinds of other topics. None of those kind of conversations happen in the DW, SH3, or other areas. So if you don't like that line of conversation, you don't participate. As far as I'm concerned, Subsim is the best site around like this. Most other sites have General Forum discussion areas and the same happens there....more often worse. One other good thing about this site is the people who congregate here are an interesting and nice bunch of people with a variety of opinion. Sad to see you go Mike.

07-26-06, 02:51 AM	#10
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Hmm of late they have got more antagonistic some are bordering on hateful. In fact when I first started here they weren't actually that bad. I stay out of them mainly cos I can't be bothered putting across my views which certain people aren't going to agree with full stop and won't even bother moderating their position. Also the arguments are all circular. __________________

08-01-06, 04:19 PM	#11
Andy Watch Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 28 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Neal, you and I have known one another a while and have corresponded offline and exchanged mail. I haven't been around much lately - there is a war after all. But Mike is correct. As the forum has expanded, some great members have been gained. There is also an inordinate amount of bilge. Not just friendly disagreement and discussion mind you, but rather harsh and hateful attacks that are beyond reason. Mike, I understand the frustration and wish you the best. The board will be poorer for your absence.

08-19-06, 07:11 PM	#12
SubSerpent Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Note: Someone needs to take it easy -- edited by NS Last edited by Onkel Neal; 08-23-06 at 10:00 AM.

08-23-06, 06:35 AM	#13
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,099 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	Mike I agree completely with what Neal has said...I also participated some time ago in many threads about islam, muslims, etc. in the general forum. But I got burnt when i saw I was was dedicating my currently very scarce free time to engage in discussions that where not really going anywhere....so I left that GT forum to those who can/want to discuss like that, and i'm still here, at the classics & indie projects forums. Please consider doing the same! Subsim.com is still the best naval web around and a good part of that is owed to people like you...after all the Gt forum is in fact just purely accesory to subsim.com. __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

09-02-06, 03:30 AM	#14
em2nought Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,266 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Visiting subsim does give one a vague idea of what it must have been like to come back to the states from Vietnam. __________________ Looks like we need a Lemon Law for Presidents now! DNC sold us a dud, and they knew it.

09-14-11, 09:18 PM	#15
green_abobo Sparky Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: running silent 700 meters off your starboard bow.. Posts: 151 Downloads: 50 Uploads: 0	although i dont know you, i do wish you god speed and good luck on your future endevours. in all likelyhood, its true WWII had to be fought. other than that... i find it ironic that poiliticians start wars in which they deem the when, who, and where to fight them, as long as it doesnt actually involve those same politicians to do the actual dying. thats what aggrivates me the most about politics. __________________