Here we go again-Ukraine once again - Page 249

Rockstar · 05-05-22, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

Translated from a Danish newspaper

Markus

Hell, even over here a certain political party plays the Nazi card every chance they get. They probably own a copy of Putin’s playbook.

Democrats and the Nazi Card

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...d_132428.html#

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It’s called Reductio ad Hitlerum

Reductio ad Hitlerum, also known as playing the Nazi card, is an attempt to invalidate someone else's position on the basis that the same view was held by Adolf Hitler or the Nazi Party. One example would be that since Hitler was against smoking, this implies that someone who is against smoking is a Nazi. Coined by Leo Strauss in 1953, reductio ad Hitlerum borrows its name from the term used in logic called reductio ad absurdum. According to Strauss, reductio ad Hitlerum is a form of ad hominem, ad misericordiam, or a fallacy of irrelevance. The suggested rationale is one of guilt by association. It is a tactic often used to derail arguments because such comparisons tend to distract and anger the opponent.

mapuc · 05-05-22, 04:51 PM

Thank you Rockstar today I learned something new.

Markus

Rockstar · 05-05-22, 05:29 PM

So, May 9th is right around the corner.

What do you think will happen?

1. Event cancelled
2. Putin declares victory and ends occupation.
3. Putin expands operations
4. Putin declares war on NATO
5. Putin launches nukes
6. Operators in Red Square attack/disrupt celebrations.
7. Operators inside Russia in a coordinated attack blow up factories, railroad, fuel and supply depots
8. Nothing changes Russian quagmire continues
9. All of the above

I’m going with #6

mapuc · 05-05-22, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockstar

So, May 9th is right around the corner.

What do you think will happen?

1. Event cancelled
2. Putin declares victory and ends occupation.
3. Putin expands operations
4. Putin declares war on NATO
5. Putin launches nukes
6. Operators in Red Square conduct local attack/disruption of celebrations.
7. Operators inside Russia in a coordinated attack blow up factories, railroad, fuel and supply depots
8. Nothing changes Russian quagmire continues
9. All of the above

I’m going with #6

I hope number 3,4 and 5 doesn't happen-I hope number 1 and 2 happens

Markus

Reece · 05-05-22, 07:36 PM

I'd go along with 8.

Otto Harkaman · 05-05-22, 07:45 PM

^ #8 also with addendum, celebrations will just be about WW2 no mention of Ukraine

Ostfriese · 05-05-22, 11:50 PM

#8, but with many many flashy words and shiny (but otherwise useless) military stuff wrapped around.

Catfish · 05-06-22, 01:15 AM

I guess that #8 will be the one. Not that i like it.

I'd like to introduce #9, Putin holds a victory parade in Mariupol and someone launches some missiles raining on it, all being broadcasted live on russian tv.

tmccarthy · 05-06-22, 02:53 AM

Catfish · 05-06-22, 03:47 AM

^ Fake. "CGTN news" is a propaganda medium, Russia cooperating with China.

B.t.w. the ship was visible from Odessa with a naked eye.
What the US did was to help explicitely identifying it being the Moskva, to make sure. The sinking and all else, including planning and execution, was done by Ukraine. Using self-developed ukrainian weapons.
Moskva was the ship that had fired the missiles targeting civilian residential areas at Mariupol.

Russia still says it was a fire breaking out that sunk the Moskva. Not wrong

https://www.newsweek.com/putin-prepa...to-war-1702308

"All along, Russian domestic propaganda has emphasized that Russia is at war not with Ukraine, but with NATO and the West," Yuri Zhukov, an associate professor at the University of Michigan, told Newsweek." [...]

Zhukov continued, "This framing makes it easier to explain military losses to the domestic audience. It also helps lay the political groundwork for a potential full wartime mobilization in Russia, which the regime has so far been hesitant to announce. And yes, it also creates political pressure to strike NATO targets, beginning with supply lines."

tmccarthy · 05-06-22, 05:30 AM

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/05/u...kraine-us.html

Sorry, I don't watch western mainstream media, not in 20 years.

-Tim

tmccarthy · 05-06-22, 05:31 AM

Catfish · 05-06-22, 05:53 AM

Even if this was true, does this justify an invasion?

Skybird · 05-06-22, 08:13 AM

The Germans "desperately" seek and search (or claim to do so) - and find no ammunition for the Gepards.

I dont know whether I should laugh, yell or cry.

mapuc · 05-06-22, 08:37 AM

Can this be true ?

A friend posted a video clip from twitter where a woman in the video says that it was Ukrainian forces that prevent them from evacuation and not the Russian.

https://twitter.com/MResearchacc/sta...4678158110720?

The text is Swedish but the video is in Ukraine with English subtitles.

Can't decide if it's true or not.

Markus

05-05-22, 04:51 PM	#3722
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,993 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Thank you Rockstar today I learned something new. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

05-05-22, 05:29 PM	#3723
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,900 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	So, May 9th is right around the corner. What do you think will happen? 1. Event cancelled 2. Putin declares victory and ends occupation. 3. Putin expands operations 4. Putin declares war on NATO 5. Putin launches nukes 6. Operators in Red Square attack/disrupt celebrations. 7. Operators inside Russia in a coordinated attack blow up factories, railroad, fuel and supply depots 8. Nothing changes Russian quagmire continues 9. All of the above I’m going with #6 __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time. Last edited by Rockstar; 05-05-22 at 05:40 PM.

05-05-22, 07:36 PM	#3725
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 32,804 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	I'd go along with 8. __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

05-05-22, 07:45 PM	#3726
Otto Harkaman Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Lexington, Kentucky Posts: 920 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	^ #8 also with addendum, celebrations will just be about WW2 no mention of Ukraine __________________ "If you want to know the age of the Earth, look upon the sea in a storm." -Joseph Conrad USS Pompano (SS-181) https://www.oneternalpatrol.com/uss-pompano-181.htm

05-06-22, 01:15 AM	#3728
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,900 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	I guess that #8 will be the one. Not that i like it. I'd like to introduce #9, Putin holds a victory parade in Mariupol and someone launches some missiles raining on it, all being broadcasted live on russian tv. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

05-05-22, 11:50 PM	#3727
Ostfriese Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2004 Location: Northern Germany Posts: 1,175 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	#8, but with many many flashy words and shiny (but otherwise useless) military stuff wrapped around.

05-06-22, 02:53 AM	#3729
tmccarthy Admiral Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,302 Downloads: 270 Uploads: 16	__________________

05-06-22, 03:47 AM	#3730
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,900 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ Fake. "CGTN news" is a propaganda medium, Russia cooperating with China. B.t.w. the ship was visible from Odessa with a naked eye. What the US did was to help explicitely identifying it being the Moskva, to make sure. The sinking and all else, including planning and execution, was done by Ukraine. Using self-developed ukrainian weapons. Moskva was the ship that had fired the missiles targeting civilian residential areas at Mariupol. Russia still says it was a fire breaking out that sunk the Moskva. Not wrong https://www.newsweek.com/putin-prepa...to-war-1702308 "All along, Russian domestic propaganda has emphasized that Russia is at war not with Ukraine, but with NATO and the West," Yuri Zhukov, an associate professor at the University of Michigan, told Newsweek." [...] Zhukov continued, "This framing makes it easier to explain military losses to the domestic audience. It also helps lay the political groundwork for a potential full wartime mobilization in Russia, which the regime has so far been hesitant to announce. And yes, it also creates political pressure to strike NATO targets, beginning with supply lines." __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 05-06-22 at 04:55 AM.*

05-06-22, 05:30 AM	#3731
tmccarthy Admiral Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,302 Downloads: 270 Uploads: 16	https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/05/u...kraine-us.html Sorry, I don't watch western mainstream media, not in 20 years. -Tim __________________

05-06-22, 05:31 AM	#3732
tmccarthy Admiral Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,302 Downloads: 270 Uploads: 16	__________________

05-06-22, 05:53 AM	#3733
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,900 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Even if this was true, does this justify an invasion? __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

05-06-22, 08:13 AM	#3734
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,578 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	The Germans "desperately" seek and search (or claim to do so) - and find no ammunition for the Gepards. I dont know whether I should laugh, yell or cry. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-06-22, 08:37 AM	#3735
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,993 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Can this be true ? A friend posted a video clip from twitter where a woman in the video says that it was Ukrainian forces that prevent them from evacuation and not the Russian. https://twitter.com/MResearchacc/sta...4678158110720? The text is Swedish but the video is in Ukraine with English subtitles. Can't decide if it's true or not. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat