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Old 10-17-2021, 04:19 PM   #1
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Captains running patrols with S-Class in my update for TMO. Tell me what you think? Your experiences. I did some modifications to them, they are not the tanks they were before. How are you faring in depth charge attacks, can't dive very deep.

Anyone running in the Alaskan/Aleutians in 42 and 43? I added traffic etc. to make that area interesting. For immersion, get the cold weather clothing optional mod from traveler. Only use with S boats, does not work properly with fleetboats(yet)
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Captains running patrols with S-Class in my update for TMO. Tell me what you think? Your experiences. I did some modifications to them, they are not the tanks they were before. How are you faring in depth charge attacks, can't dive very deep.

Anyone running in the Alaskan/Aleutians in 42 and 43? I added traffic etc. to make that area interesting. For immersion, get the cold weather clothing optional mod from traveler. Only use with S boats, does not work properly with fleetboats(yet)
Do have an S class boat career ongoing, but... am based outta Manilla on that 1.

I can see of racking out an S class career, outta Dutch Harbor... just t check that aspect out.

On that Traveler's mod... that the TMO v2.6 final optional mod for the cold weather gear...???
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Do have an S class boat career ongoing, but... am based outta Manilla on that 1.

I can see of racking out an S class career, outta Dutch Harbor... just t check that aspect out.

On that Traveler's mod... that the TMO v2.6 final optional mod for the cold weather gear...???
Yes, the final optional mod for the cold weather gear.


Yes hope you do, let me know. Even added the Battle of Komandorski Islands so player can observe and get involved in chooses. A refueling base becomes available at Adak , so helps with those long trips over to Paramushiro area once japanese have left Aleutians in 1943. S-44 was lost in to the escort Ishigaki's gunfire off Paramushiro on 7 October 1944, only two of her crew survived the sinking and were POW's until end of the war.

USS Herring sunk Ishigaki in May 1944 in Sea of Okhotsk.
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Yes, the final optional mod for the cold weather gear.


Yes hope you do, let me know. Even added the Battle of Komandorski Islands so player can observe and get involved in chooses. A refueling base becomes available at Adak , so helps with those long trips over to Paramushiro area once japanese have left Aleutians in 1943. S-44 was lost in to the escort Ishigaki's gunfire off Paramushiro on 7 October 1944, only two of her crew survived the sinking and were POW's until end of the war.

USS Herring sunk Ishigaki in May 1944 in Sea of Okhotsk.
On that note, have the TMO v2.6 Final of Traveler's d/l'ed... will work on doping out separate TMOverhauled v2.5B mod mix just for the S class career up in the Aleutian's... just finished clearing out 4 SH4 mod mixes I had gathering dust that are no longer relevant, so have the space clear to do this...

Will report back, a.s.a.p. on this...



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On that note, have the TMO v2.6 Final of Traveler's d/l'ed... will work on doping out separate TMOverhauled v2.5B mod mix just for the S class career up in the Aleutian's... just finished clearing out 4 SH4 mod mixes I had gathering dust that are no longer relevant, so have the space clear to do this...

Will report back, a.s.a.p. on this...



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Sounds like a plan. I did a minimal amount of testing there in a few patrols but had fun.
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Sounds like a plan. I did a minimal amount of testing there in a few patrols but had fun.
Working on the mix now... using the 1st TMOverhauled v2.5B, as the template. Just about finished setting this up.

After that, will be starting a career...



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Just finished finalizing set up... after this, will set up a career out of Dutch... quoting Adm. Farragut here... D**n the torpedoes, full speed ahead...
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Captains running patrols with S-Class in my update for TMO. Tell me what you think? Your experiences. I did some modifications to them, they are not the tanks they were before. How are you faring in depth charge attacks, can't dive very deep.

Anyone running in the Alaskan/Aleutians in 42 and 43? I added traffic etc. to make that area interesting. For immersion, get the cold weather clothing optional mod from traveler. Only use with S boats, does not work properly with fleetboats(yet)
Query... to run a S boat, out of the Aleutian's... during '42... what base would I need to do... love how with FotRS, it gives that direct indicator of that. may look at seeing of a, update to the career start screen similar in scope of FotRS, Bubblehead1980... just a suggestion... to make it easier to be able to chose a career out of the Aleutian's.



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Oh, on a side note... think with the torp dud ratio that is set up at the start, is good... in a Sargo boat, out of Manilla... shot at 3 targets, a bit of.. harbor raiding, set up 6 torps... 4 aft, 2 fore... had 1 hit & do damages to 1 of the targets... no idea of the others. but consider that they ran deep... sent 2 more from fore, of course.. owing to knowing that the torps have that dud factor built in... (am NOT doing as they would, what with husbanding torps, as was messaged to the skippers off the rip of the war... which that message is sent to all skippers, in FotRS. That & to submerge during the day & run 1 engine for recharge, as well... may want to think of some addition of that message in TMOverhauled... just a suggestion. ) so am sending 2 at each target that I run across... knowing the dud factor is there. Any way, the 1 ship I damaged, was a tanker, enough tonnage to finish off the op orders I had, free range orders & sink shipping.... before it sank... it went up in a spectacular fireball, managing to stay intact except for the 2 holes in it. (Yeah, I free cammed to view My handiwork.. Didn't think to take a snap shot of it... dang it all. Ugh...



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Query... to run a S boat, out of the Aleutian's... during '42... what base would I need to do... love how with FotRS, it gives that direct indicator of that. may look at seeing of a, update to the career start screen similar in scope of FotRS, Bubblehead1980... just a suggestion... to make it easier to be able to chose a career out of the Aleutian's.



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Oh, on a side note... think with the torp dud ratio that is set up at the start, is good... in a Sargo boat, out of Manilla... shot at 3 targets, a bit of.. harbor raiding, set up 6 torps... 4 aft, 2 fore... had 1 hit & do damages to 1 of the targets... no idea of the others. but consider that they ran deep... sent 2 more from fore, of course.. owing to knowing that the torps have that dud factor built in... (am NOT doing as they would, what with husbanding torps, as was messaged to the skippers off the rip of the war... which that message is sent to all skippers, in FotRS. That & to submerge during the day & run 1 engine for recharge, as well... may want to think of some addition of that message in TMOverhauled... just a suggestion. ) so am sending 2 at each target that I run across... knowing the dud factor is there. Any way, the 1 ship I damaged, was a tanker, enough tonnage to finish off the op orders I had, free range orders & sink shipping.... before it sank... it went up in a spectacular fireball, managing to stay intact except for the 2 holes in it. (Yeah, I free cammed to view My handiwork.. Didn't think to take a snap shot of it... dang it all. Ugh...



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On the start screen , scroll down and select Aleutians Campaign. then options are S-18 or S-44 class out of Dutch Harbor. Pretty simple, so thought it needed no redesign. I will include note on it in next README.

I will look into historical accuracy of giving messages about conserving torpedoes add remaining submerged during the day. I am aware it was standard procedure then of course, pre war doctrine was conserve torpedoes and remain submerged. I encourage remaining submerged by removing SD radar at start of war, as most subs did not have it since SD air search radar was new technology just beginning to be installed on subs. I am actually not sure any of the Asiatic boats had it yet. A few of sub pac boats had it and were sent to patrol off home islands. I know it is a huge risk to stay on surface doing day in early war, have had a couple player tell me they were sunk or severely damaged in air attacks when running on surface without SD radar. For upcoming patch I have changed visual sensors of crew to be a little better, they are far too blind as when player can see ships at 10 NM but crew cant, etc. Plans are typically spotted about 6 NM in new settings, still not much time to get below.

Yes, overall I am pretty happy with torpedoes, represent the various issues. I have refined them a bit to be a bit more accurate in their unreliability in upcoming patch. In 1941/1942 I was lucky to sink one ship, maybe two per patrol due torpedo issues. I have also incorporated longer sinking times mod into sim, these keep tonnage to historical levels for the time period.
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On the start screen , scroll down and select Aleutians Campaign. then options are S-18 or S-44 class out of Dutch Harbor. Pretty simple, so thought it needed no redesign. I will include note on it in next README.


Ugh, didn't scroll down far enough on the list of command bases to choose from, or was that the date selection section... either way, got it rolling now... in the S-44 (SS-155) & starting out on My 1stpatrol, around Attu Island, Aleutians. Have the cold weather gear mod added in & have to say, it looks swell to see them in that gear, especially knowing the weather there in Alaska territory, is vastly different than that of say... the Philippines.... vastly different climate. A shame there is no way to have the boats, accumulate ice buildup, while being there... on the surface, at any rate... ahh well...

Oh, & it's selecting either the S-18 class or the S-42 class Sboats... not S-44... unless you meant that selecting the S-42 class netted you command of the S-44... if so, then disregard...

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I will look into historical accuracy of giving messages about conserving torpedoes add remaining submerged during the day. I am aware it was standard procedure then of course, pre war doctrine was conserve torpedoes and remain submerged.
Yeah, from what I recall... the general order to "husband" torp's, owed to the stock supply they had of them & well... distance & not knowing if or when resupply would be, led to the flash order to ensure using just the minimum needed (or what was known of, at the time.. of needed (not knowing the gloom & doom of the torp crisis looming, at any rate...) ) the order to run submerged, was given due to that.. pre war, subs were free to roam surfaced, without fear of attack, & well... 12/7 changed all that... in a flash. Not to say they didn't practice stealth tactics... as I'm sure they did... wouldn't be much use supporting the fleet, if they weren't ready to be... stealthy. which was the general thoughts on their use... again, 12/7 changed that battle plan.. & sans the torp issues... was for the better. They took Uboat tactics & amped it up, once the torp issues got 95% (rough guess, estimate wise...) ironed out. Fleetboats did to Japan, what Britain & Churchill feared from the Uboats... strangled their ability to stay supplied & in the fight. Which, was what led to the IJN attacks on the general areas around the Philippines... to garner supplies that they had lost due to the embargo.

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I encourage remaining submerged by removing SD radar at start of war, as most subs did not have it since SD air search radar was new technology just beginning to be installed on subs. I am actually not sure any of the Asiatic boats had it yet. A few of sub pac boats had it and were sent to patrol off home islands. I know it is a huge risk to stay on surface doing day in early war, have had a couple player tell me they were sunk or severely damaged in air attacks when running on surface without SD radar. For upcoming patch I have changed visual sensors of crew to be a little better, they are far too blind as when player can see ships at 10 NM but crew cant, etc. Plans are typically spotted about 6 NM in new settings, still not much time to get below.

Yes, overall I am pretty happy with torpedoes, represent the various issues. I have refined them a bit to be a bit more accurate in their unreliability in upcoming patch. In 1941/1942 I was lucky to sink one ship, maybe two per patrol due torpedo issues. I have also incorporated longer sinking times mod into sim, these keep tonnage to historical levels for the time period.
Ok, enough... chit chat... off to see of attack & sinking tonnage....



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