Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Skybird

And the fourth Russian general has just been kicked out within a few days... Keep it up, Putler! All four men were said to have led their units quite effectively during the defense against the Ukrainian offensive. Is Putler a - double agent...?

Sky,Your head must be popping, Look now you finally, Know who the Masters are. A bunch of University students in the USA. Oh and we have the Ocean to protect us.And our new. Ideology. That is spreading world wide. The next hurdle will be converting Muslims. That might be a problem. What do ya think?

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

Nobody can be surprised by this surely, after Putin pulled out of the grain export deal.

Ukraine says Russia targets grain infrastructure with strikes on Odesa port.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...al-2023-07-19/

[Catfish]

"Revenge".. somehow the wrong word after Russia started this war of aggression.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Catfish

"Revenge".. somehow the wrong word after Russia started this war of aggression.

Precisely

[Skybird]

African Union (AU) Commission President Moussa Faki Mahamat wrote on Twitter that the AU regrets Russia's decision to allow the agreement on the export of Ukrainian grain via the Black Sea to expire. He called on all parties to "resolve issues to allow resumption of safe transportation of grain and fertilizers from Ukraine and Russia to regions in need, including Africa." [DW]

So there is no question of condemning Russia, as some forum members hoped. There is also no differentiation between perpetrators and victims in this war.

South Africa, a close ally of Russia, no longer has to worry about Putin's imprisonment, since Putin let it be known that he would not participate in the summit of the BRICS countries and would instead bring forward his Mini-Me Lavrov. Putin is subject to an international arrest warrant issued by the ICC, which would have formally obliged South Africa to detain and transfer Putin if he arrived in South Africa.

It gets reported that russia focusse son not only filling up depleted mioenfields, which before were mostly formed by anti-armour mines, but now fills them up with especially anti-personnel mines. This reflects adfaptation to the chnaged tsatcics by Ukriane, from attempted mechanised assault to speed-of-boot-on-the-grounds. Probably over one third of the delivered Bradley have gone lost.


The British Challengers so far are reported and confirmed to not have seen any combat at all.



The losses amongst the French-delivered AMX light tanks are apparently high, Ukrainian commanders curse them for havign good eys and a nice Boom, but being totally unsufficiently armoured for battelfield action. Where so far crews of Bradleys and Leopards have escaped from total knockouts of their vehicles, the Ukrainians have suffered apparently several complete crew losses from the French vehicles when they got hit. There are complaints that some Wetsenr natiosn use Ukraine as a dumpster for old equipment they want to get rid of cheaply.



The Americans probably did it cleverly, the Bradley is said to no longer being fit for the modern battlefield'S threats, but is still good enough to also pose a serious threat due to its TOW2 and thermal and night vision. They want to replace it anyway, and loosing it in quantities in Ukraine does not reveal all too high technological insights for Russia. The germans on the other hand send the most modern of what they have, the Leopard-2A6, and these ending up in russian hands is a very different thing. Ther eis tehcnolkgy in them that Russia can exploit. We should have send Leopard-2A4s, like the others. It is rumoured that German weapon technology suffers in loss of reputation from the Leopards being done once and for all in Ukraine.



I fear the soon to be delivered Leopard-1A5s will suffer a comparable fate like the French AMX. Too weakly armoured.

[Catfish]

July 19th, Fire at Crimea military base forces over 2,000 to evacuate

[Commander Wallace]

Russia loses 500 soldiers, dozens of drones, tanks, IFVs over past 24 hours

The Ukrainian Armed Forces eliminated 470 Russian occupiers over the last 24 hours, with total Russian losses in the full-scale invasion now exceeding 239,000 troops, Ukraine's General Staff reported in its morning update on July 19.
The breakdown of estimated Russian losses is as follows:

• personnel - 239,480 (+470) personnel eliminated,
• tanks - 4,123 (+4),
• armored combat vehicles - 8,059 (+8),
• artillery systems - 4,573 (+31),
• multiple-launch rockets systems - 689 (+0),
• air defense systems - 430 (+2),
• warplanes - 315 (+0),
• helicopters - 310 (+0),
• UAVs of operational and tactical level - 3,885 (+46),cruise missiles - 1,279 (+6),
• warships/military boats - 18 (+0),
• vehicles and fuel tankers - 7,105 (+19),
• special equipment - 683 (+6).

Ukraine launched its counter-offensive campaign in the south and east at the beginning of June.
The Ukrainian army is liberating occupied areas and is continuing to advance.
The current modest Ukrainian successes are just the prelude to a broader and more extensive counteroffensive to come soon, according to Ukraine's Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-lo...073700923.html

[mapuc]

I have to ask-How trustworthy are these numbers ^ ?

Has Russia lost 239,480 men since start of the war(Feb. 2022) ?

Maybe they have. If so they are being slaughter on the battlefield.

How many soldiers had Soviet lost after 17 month of the war in WWII ?

Markus

[tonschk]

THE UKRAINIANS ALREADY DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY LEFT TO FIGHT AGAINST RUSSIA

https://www.bitchute.com/video/rh2G23LeZq83/

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I have to ask-How trustworthy are these numbers ^ ?

Has Russia lost 239,480 men since start of the war(Feb. 2022) ?

Maybe they have. If so they are being slaughter on the battlefield.

How many soldiers had Soviet lost after 17 month of the war in WWII ?

Markus

There is a similiarity in numbers' trends from the US and from the Ukraine, if the one's numbers go up, then the other's numbers go up as well. But the totals can obviously not be calculated correctly if nobody has the full and correct data. I read the Norwegians for example calculate only 150,000 Russian losses. And that the ukrainains clauzate too ghih loses becasue they count reports of kills achcieved by several of their units - but on the same target. A bit like Vietnam: if so and so many auttomatic rifles pumped for so and so many minutes so and so many rounds into so and so big a strip of forest, then one assumed that scores a kill result of X - no matter whether there were any bodies found or not.


Putin seems to be extremely ocnerned about not declaring a full mobilzation affectign everybody, so far the soldiers he sends to Ukrianbe come froma bandoned villages, god-forsaken palces, and ethnic and social minorities, not from the centre core of the ethnci Russian society in the huge metropoles. However he has givne roder that the age up to which men can be called up to arms has again been raised, and certain trained officers can now be called up at even 70 years!


Ukraine however also runs low on reservists, and had to raise age limits repeatedly in the past 12 months. All in all the Russian still can digest heavy losses easier than the Ukrianians, both in men and material.
Those who believe that the Russians will soon be on their last legs will probably be rubbing their eyes. They will not shine and will not be glorious, but they will throw bodies into the holes at the frontline where needed.


Lets remind of that in the military elites of Russia, there seems to be a double consensus: that Putler was stupid to launch this war and that it was not needed - but now that the messy deed had been started one has to put evertyhing into it to make sure one wins it, no matter the cost. Thats why I think that if Putlers gets shot off the stage, things will become even worse. I think many in the West have some illusions on this.

[Skybird]

Russia's war of aggression is hitting Ukraine hard. Thousands of civilians and even more soldiers have been killed, and its economic strength has been severely damaged. Reconstruction will take years and cost hundreds of billions. This does not even take into account what will probably be the worst long-term consequence: the depopulation of the country.

The war has radically worsened Ukraine's demographic crisis, which the country has faced since it declared independence in 1991, and will lead to a severe labor shortage after the war ends. This is the conclusion of a study by the Vienna Institute for International Economic Studies (WIIW). Regardless of how long the war lasts, Ukraine is unlikely to ever recover demographically from its consequences, the study's author, Maryna Tverdostup, maintains.

At the time of the invasion last February, Ukraine had 41.8 million registered residents. But by 2040, the population will shrink by one-fifth to 35 million, she adds. The decline in the working-age population is expected to be the most severe and consequential.

The destruction remains "The bloodletting of the population due to the war will severely affect the reconstruction and economic recovery of the country for years," says Tverdostup. This is because there are simply not enough people "to clean up the destruction and get the economy going again." This is especially true in the eastern and southeastern regions of the country, which have been hardest hit by the war.

In particular, the heavy outflow of well-educated women could cement the population loss for a long time to come. Women of working and childbearing age made up 70 percent of the adult refugees. Children and adolescents who left with them accounted for one-third of those who fled.

Surveys in Germany, Great Britain and Austria show that around half of the many millions of refugees who have fled to the West are considering staying for the long term. The rate is higher the longer the refugees have been in the country, the better they speak the language of the host country and the further they are integrated into the labor market.
Fighting for returnees

This seems to confirm fears expressed months ago by Kiev central bank governor Andriy Pyshnyys: "We could lose the best of the best," he warned, urging, "We have to make sure we get our people back, we need them here."

According to Tverdostup's calculations, however, which according to the WIIW are uncharted scientific territory with her new forecasting model, things look bad. In the case of the best of the four demographic scenarios she has calculated - i.e., an end to the war before the end of this year - the country's population is likely to increase again from 2024 and reach its post-war peak of 37.8 million in 2030. But it will never return to the pre-war level of just under 42 million.

The worst-case scenario, on the other hand, assumes a long war until 2025. In that case, Ukraine would lose 7 million people and have only 35 million inhabitants in 2035. Emigration would remain high, and the number of returnees would be low. If young women emigrate and the old stay, this is bad for population development: fertility falls, mortality rises.

[Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung]


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That aims at the direction I hinted at when the Russian invaison was launched. The Ukraine could militarily win the war - and nevertheless loose it economically and demographically. The Wests helps to make this a certain outcome the more it sticks to policies that focus on "boiling the frog" instead of delivering what is needed to enforce an early decision on the battlefield. The longer this war lasts, the more destruction there will be, the more migration.

This is not to say we should make a deal with Russia over Ukriane. It means the opposite: that we must take off the gloves and leave the concerns behind.

[mapuc]

Ukraine does not have enough to fight the Russians

well this video clip say otherwise



Markus

[Skybird]

When of 12 prepared attack brigades 8 brigades were engaged already 10 days ago, and the remaining 4 brigades have brought their artillery forward, then this seems to indicate a slightly different status than that video.



There is a reserve, 4 brigades with reduced artillery. Every further assessment maybe just lies in the eye of the - unknowing - beholder.


What is harder to assess is what effect the Ukrainian logistical interdiction strikes have on the russian troops at the front. We know that Russian artillery ammunition has been rationed in the southern parts of the front, and that in parts troops do not get food and water. Hard to say whether that is due to incompetent officers, or real lack in the logistics.

[mapuc]

^ I was thinking maybe he's right, so I made a search to find out how many brigades does Ukraine have ?

"The Ukrainian Ground Forces are divided into Armoured Forces and Mechanized Forces, Army Aviation, Army Air Defence and Rocket and Artillery Troops. There are 13 mechanized brigades and two mountain warfare brigades in the Mechanized Forces. Ukraine also has two armoured brigades."

Nine of these has been trained by NATO since Feb 2022

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_of_Ukraine

Markus