Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Rockstar]

Europe has another war and once again the deaths of thousands of families, men, women and children are added to the already multi million number of deceased which have accumulated throughout the ages of European history. But it’s OK, it’s acceptable to them, because to Europeans it’s what they’ve always done.

When Europeans kill children it’s OK because it’s for only the most holy and righteous ideals, it’s for a political cause.

[Reece]

? ? ?

[Skybird]

An Ukrainian general estimates the Russian have a numerical advantage in soldiers in the battlezones of Donbass of 5:1, and in artillery even 7:1. The losses of the ukrainians are estimated to be 100-200 per day - and that of the Russians' said to be 3-5 times as high. However, the attrition affects the ukrainians heavily, and Ukrainian military leaders and analysts from abroad say that currently a new big counter offensive is unlikely because the Ukrainian army simply is overexhausted and many fighters are at the end of their physical and psychological stamina. One must assume that this is exactly what the new Russian strategy of keeping up utmost pressure even when suffering desastrous own losses is aiming for. The Russians can afford these losses. The Ukrianians can't afford even their lower losses. Ever ylost artiollery piece counts several times more agaunst them mthna any Russian artillery piece lost.



The Ukrainians say they need hundreds more of artillery and MRLS systems to survive this war of attrition.
Belarus possibly prepares a late entry into the war. Maybe Lukashenko finally is pressed to pay tribuite to Putin'S help in cracking down ion the oppsoiton after the last elecitonf raud. Belarussian army is again amassing forces near the border to Ukraine. I think it is absolutely possible that Russia will sooner or later start a second attempt to conquer Kyiw - or obliterate it.

The Germans - babble on. No weapons delivered since 3 months. MARS II and IRIS-T delayed until Decembre. At least. The Greeks start to voice anger over the German delaying in the Ringtausch of IFVs. The same Mätzchen like with Poland, Slovenia, and others before. Germany's role does not stop to pout its nation to shame, I'm sorry to say. And it makes me sick and angry to see the slime at the top of the political hierarchy dripping off the table in greasy glutinous drops and ruining the carpet for everybody. Blasé and underhanded Scholz makes me sick.

Three days ago there was a merkel revival party on TV. A servile fan of hers "interviewed" her, first time since she left office, an evening-filling TV show. Conclusion: She was perfect. She knew Putin and had no illusions. She made nothing wrong, she made no mistakes, never. She said she sees no reason to excuse herself for anything. And the servile fanboy at her feet? Did not ask for the nculear exit. For the mass migration deaster. For the Euro debacle. The failed Minsk 2 agreement.

What a fake event. Its hopeless. Germany is lost. But at least now I know what the shine and choire of glorious holiness looks and sounds like. I'm blinded and my ears still ring.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

....and our media and politician here in Denmark and Sweden look up to him...almost worship him.

Another thing which we may have discussed earlier-The fact that none of Putins closest colleague dare to speak against him or tell him the truth.
In a Danish article it was said The Russian Generals knew before the war that the Russian army isn't that great and it has many problems, but none of them dared to say this openly to Putin.

Because the take-down of Putin has to come from the inner circle or from FSB.

Markus

Do not want to take the fun out of a good hanging, but Russian Generals have never successfully speak up against their leader, Stalin made sure that the army never could grasp any power for the FSB only low level circle is discussing Putin FSB people in real power are oki doki with Putin.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Following hasn't been confirmed(Finding article or government information)

A convoy have left eastern USA heading for the Black Sea

It was someone who wrote this in a livestream from Ukraine.
I've tried to find any information about this..without any luck.
(He said the information was available on White House homepage)

Maybe it's on it's way to the Baltic sea ?

Biden & Co have lots of material they need to be transported to Poland and from there to Ukraine.

Markus

16 NATO Allies and partners take part in exercise BALTOPS 22 https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_196240.htm

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Skybird

An Ukrainian general estimates the Russian have a numerical advantage in soldiers in the battlezones of Donbass of 5:1, and in artillery even 7:1. The losses of the ukrainians are estimated to be 100-200 per day - and that of the Russians' said to be 3-5 times as high. However, the attrition affects the ukrainians heavily, and Ukrainian military leaders and analysts from abroad say that currently a new big counter offensive is unlikely because the Ukrainian army simply is overexhausted and many fighters are at the end of their physical and psychological stamina. One must assume that this is exactly what the new Russian strategy of keeping up utmost pressure even when suffering desastrous own losses is aiming for. The Russians can afford these losses. The Ukrianians can't afford even their lower losses. Ever ylost artiollery piece counts several times more agaunst them mthna any Russian artillery piece lost.



The Ukrainians say they need hundreds more of artillery and MRLS systems to survive this war of attrition.
Belarus possibly prepares a late entry into the war. Maybe Lukashenko finally is pressed to pay tribuite to Putin'S help in cracking down ion the oppsoiton after the last elecitonf raud. Belarussian army is again amassing forces near the border to Ukraine. I think it is absolutely possible that Russia will sooner or later start a second attempt to conquer Kyiw - or obliterate it.

The main offensive is on the city of Severodonetsk Russia throws all their material and personnel on a city that is for 90% in rubble do not see any gain if they take that city and if they have it they need to cross the river Siversky Donets, cross open field and take highly fortified Lysychans'k fighting up hill. With the losses the Russians have now this only will rise greatly, one of the problem of Russia has is getting personnel, and they suck at street battles. Ukraine cannot win this in the long run without supply of heavy material, but they can still cause high losses to the Russians to keep Ukrainian ground as long as they can.

[Dargo]

Russian state is switched into its war mode. It is not a short-term military operation, it is a permanent war what Russians live Since Chechen wars in 1994-2009, Russia was involved in at least 3 wars: Georgia, Syria, Ukraine. Out of these three, every next one was more bloody and brutal, what is logical: barriers for violence have fallen in Russian society. Russians are not expecting a fast victory now the Russian concept of aggressive wars is extremely colonial. From the Russian perspective, it is logical to send “subhumans” to die on the front. In the current war, we see ethnic minorities over-represented among Russian troops their losses pro 100,000 are sometimes 100x higher in no war since Georgia 2008, Russia has reached its goals.

Tbilisi was not taken in 2008, Novorossia was not created in 2014-15, Kyiv was not taken in 2022. Did it stop Russia from further attacks? No! And this has its clear logic! As Russian wars are colonial, Russia gets stronger even after it doesn’t fulfill its goals. As Buryatia (occupied over 100 years ago) provided Russia with grinder meat, occupied Chechen Republic provided Russians with Kadyrovtsi - terror squads. The same happens now in “LDNR” Russians forcefully conscript every male in occupied Donetsk and Luhansk regions, and send them to death on the frontline. Males get arrested in the streets, put in uniforms, provided with a WWI rifle and send to the front. Russians don’t care how many Ukrainians will die. As Putin is a life-time dictator, his inability to occupy the whole Ukraine in 2014 was not a defeat, but just a delay. He has not lost his power, but got provided with strategically important Crimea (launch positions) and resources (grinder meat). Kherson expects the same.

In the WWII, Ukrainians were the most important manpower of Red Army. Soviet top ace Kozhedub, ace sniper Pavlichenko, ace pilot Amed-Khan were Ukrainians or Crimea Tatars. Moscow has occupied Ukraine, conscripted Ukrainians and sent them to death. This is what they do if now Russia will not suffer a full defeat, it will just wait a year, brainwash people in occupied territories and attack the rest of Ukraine again with more grinder meat (cannon fodder). And after it will repeat this trick with sending Kyiv and Vinnytsia to invade...

[Dargo]

Interview: Why Russia's 'Underperforming' Military Is Still Making Gains In Ukraine
Ukrainian forces are finding it hard to stave off Russian attacks in the center of the key battleground of Syevyerodonetsk, but Moscow still does not control the eastern city, regional officials say.

Syevyerodonetsk and its twin city Lysychansk, which lies across the Siverskiy Donets River, are strategically important in the Kremlin’s bid to capture Ukraine’s eastern Donbas region and the unfolding fight, which has already seen Russian troops take control of large portions of Syevyerodonetsk, could have an outsized influence on the next phase of the war.

Meanwhile, the flow of Western weapons to Kyiv continues, but Ukrainian officials have warned that greater and sustained quantities of equipment and aid are needed if they are to wield an advantage over Russian forces... https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-russ.../31891133.html

[Dargo]

Putin admits Ukraine invasion is an imperial war to “return” Russian land

Throughout the past few months, Vladimir Putin has offered up all manner of outlandish excuses for his invasion of Ukraine. At various different times he has blamed the war on everything from NATO expansion to imaginary Nazis, while also making completely unsubstantiated claims about Western plots to invade Russia and Ukrainian schemes to acquire nuclear weapons.

The reality, it now transpires, is considerably less elaborate and infinitely more chilling. Putin has launched the largest European conflict since WWII for the simple reason that he wants to conquer Ukraine. Inspired by the czars of old, Putin aims to crush his neighbor and incorporate it into a new Russian Empire... https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blog...-russian-land/

[mapuc]

^ This made me sad-It would mean we have to fight a war.

Markus

[Catfish]

Much better than i could have written this, very good take on the situation (unfortunately). Like i said before this is a long war that will last, and it will not stop in Ukraine. Or if, only for a short time.
So the logical goal has to be to stop Russia –

Meanwhile Putin has compared himself to Tsar Peter the Great.
https://nypost.com/2022/06/10/vladim...ter-the-great/

Putin only respects other "Sovereigns", all else countries are "colonies" free for the taking.

He has now directly threatened Sweden ??
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/188046...health-sweden/

I know it is "The Sun". But a quote from Putin ..

[Dargo]

[Dargo]

The second-in-command of Ukrainian military intelligence says Ukraine is on the losing side due to lack of heavy weapons. To keep the Russians at bay, the country depends almost entirely on weapons from Western countries. "Now everything depends on what the West gives us," says Vadym Skibitsky in an interview with The Guardian. Ukraine is expected to submit a list of requirements to NATO next week. That will again include advanced missile systems.

Skibitsky says the Russians have dug in at the front in the south. He reckons the Russians will try again to take Odessa, Zaporizhzhya and Dnipro, once they have full control of the Donbas. "Their goal is all of Ukraine and more."

It is possible that Russia will hold back for a while to entice the West to lift sanctions, Skibitsky believes. "But then they will start all over again. Look after the last eight years." That last one is a reference to the annexation of Crimea and the start of the war in the Donbas, in 2014.

[Catfish]

Re Donbas, Ukraine killing "russians" there, ukrainian "mass killings" and the poor harrassed "russian" people of Donbas "calling for help".

We understand this perfectly now.

Putin’s confession of land seizures and comparing himself with Peter the Great prove:
there was no ‘conflict’, only the country’s bloody seizure under contrived pretexts of people’s genocide,” said Mykhailo Podolyak.
“We should not talk about [Russia] ‘saving face’, but about its immediate de-imperialisation.”

[Dargo]

Serbia has arrested Andriy Naumov, ex head of the security service of Ukraine in the Kherson region that is under Russian occupation now. He left Ukraine in hours before the Russian invasion and was accused of treason. He was arrested having over €600k, ~$125K and diamonds. The reason why Russia was able to take Kherson so quickly, advance to Mariupol and lay siege there was treason within the Ukrainian intelligence and possibly (!) some elements of the army.