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hunter301 · 06-07-22, 08:48 AM

This is the one I was referring to. The original.
Looks like the stock TDC in the conning tower and much clearer and easier to read.
The green one looks like a ghost ship that's been sitting at the bottom of the ocean...lol

goldmastersims · 06-09-22, 11:19 PM

Just got scopes from TMO BH implemented. Complete with zoom.

I'm making my own tweaked variant of this mod. Tentatively, I plan to get this out after 1.8 is out, but no promises.

propbeanie · 06-10-22, 09:42 AM

As a note on this periscope subject, CapnScurvy added the optics from his Optical Targeting Correction (OTC) mod to FotRSU. Every view on the boat, whether periscope, binoculars, TBT, "open eye" etc., was painstakingly properly scaled to represent accurate views. Just be aware that you potentially alter that accuracy by changing the scopes. CapnScurvy has a posting on SubSim (that I cannot find) where he discusses this, and walked us through his testing procedure on how he came up with what he did for OTC and FotRSU. It is a very interesting subject, and the testing procedure is what we use to this day. Very thorough. If I can ever find it, I'll post a link.

Bubblehead1980 · 06-10-22, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hunter301

This is the one I was referring to. The original.
Looks like the stock TDC in the conning tower and much clearer and easier to read.
The green one looks like a ghost ship that's been sitting at the bottom of the ocean...lol

Nice, I do the same when I run FOTRS as well. Like propbeanie said, it can change some things, but that is how I prefer it and assume why you were doing it was well. OTC is a great mod and appreciate hard work but I never cared for how easy it makes things on the captain. The default scopes in TMO (night scope lol) did also, which is why I changed it. US subs periscopes for for most part useless at night except with full moonlight and at close range, observation scope was slightly useful. So I chose the filters for that reason, to show the differences. Wish was possible to go further and remove stadimeter from observation scope, limit the movement of attack scope etc but not sure that can be done.

Magnification was increased on both scopes and TBT as well, the default mag powers of scopes in stock and TMO were far too weak vs reality, from what I could gather. TBT and binoculars prob have more power than is realistic (Slightly) but this was done to interact with the environment of the mod and sensor changes.

goldmastersims · 06-10-22, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by propbeanie

As a note on this periscope subject, CapnScurvy added the optics from his Optical Targeting Correction (OTC) mod to FotRSU. Every view on the boat, whether periscope, binoculars, TBT, "open eye" etc., was painstakingly properly scaled to represent accurate views. Just be aware that you potentially alter that accuracy by changing the scopes. CapnScurvy has a posting on SubSim (that I cannot find) where he discusses this, and walked us through his testing procedure on how he came up with what he did for OTC and FotRSU. It is a very interesting subject, and the testing procedure is what we use to this day. Very thorough. If I can ever find it, I'll post a link.

Thanks. Let me know if you find it.

KaleunMarco · 06-10-22, 05:08 PM

driving a Balao, January 1945 out of Guam.
on patrol in the Luzon Straits.
Bothered by planes coming from the general direction of Taiwan/Formosa.
SV Radar installed at last refit.
SV Radar is turned on.
We detect an incoming at approx 10,000 yds out (5 nm).
according to the info specs we should be detecting them at 17-30 nm.
can you share which of the nodes in Sensors.dat is SV? I'd like to check the parms for that device.

Thx.

propbeanie · 06-10-22, 07:03 PM

There are "slots" in the SubName.upc file, as well as in the UnitParts#SubName.upc file. First the Balao sub:

[UserPlayerUnit 1.UpgradePackSlot 2]
ID= UpgAirSearchRadar
NameDisplayable= Air Search Radar
Type=NULL
AcceptedTypes=AirRadars, AirRadarsImp, AdvAirRadars
UserCustomizable=Yes
IDLinkUpgradePackSlots= EqSlot33, AirRadarAntenna
IDLinkUpgradePackSlotsIntervalDefault1= NULL, 1943-03-11, SD Radar
IDLinkUpgradePackSlotsIntervalDefault2= 1943-03-12, 1944-12-31, Improved SD Radar
IDLinkUpgradePackSlotsIntervalDefault3= 1945-01-01, NULL, SV Elite Radar

- That's the Upgrade "package"... and the UnitParts3Balao.upc:

[UnitPart 1.Compartment 1.EquipmentSlot 2]
ID= AirRadarAntenna
NameDisplayable= Air Search Radar Antenna
Type=NULL
AcceptedTypes= NULL
UserCustomizable=Yes
IDLinkEquipmentIntervalDefault1= NULL, NULL, NULL
ExternalNodeName3D= R02
ExternalDamageZoneTypeID3D= -1

Note that some subs have four UnitPart sections, such as the Gato. In some of the subs, their Surface Radar might change node designations, due to whether they are "supported" shafts, or "un-supported" shafts. Thankfully, the Air Search does not change very often, if at all. So the Balao for UnitPart 1 and UnitPart2 are both node R02:

The Balao has two conns so that we can get it to go from the Mearsure 9 black paint, to the Measure 32 grey, otherwise, they are basically identical. Now, as to the range, the place to look for that is in the Data / Library / USSubParts / Sensors_sub_US.sim file, but you'll have to look in the dat file, and reference the Parent / Child link relationships to find the SV Elite Radar. Don't forget, there is a difference between the shaft and the actual radar antenna itself. Also, in FotRSU, the weather and sea-state will affect your radars ranges. The "beams" were narrowed by CapnScurvy to simulate their unreliability in that regard.

Edit: Ain't that special... inet went out for a few minutes... ah well. To add to the above:

I did not do a screen grab of the actual settings, but the range in the sim shows to be set to 32,000 (km?? nm??). One little side-note to this: One of the snorkels is using the same "ID"... we'll have to dig further into that... that would be for a U-Boat of course, but in my mind, it is still a "say whuh???" kinda thang... btw, the "radar" that you "see" on the sub is the 2nd from the left above there, with the big parabolic dish, while the actual "functional" part (Dummy_SV...) is the little red dot at the bottom of the picture, by that green line...

KaleunMarco · 06-10-22, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by propbeanie

the place to look for that is in the Data / Library / USSubParts / Sensors_sub_US.sim file, but you'll have to look in the dat file, and reference the Parent / Child link relationships to find the SV Elite Radar.

looking at the .SIM file, could the defect be in the Height or Elevation Parms?

goldmastersims · 06-11-22, 02:05 AM

Preliminary testing of the TMO BH scopes shows the Dick O' Kane method's accuracy is not affected. Hopefully, the stadimeter readings stay as accurate if done right. As I've expected, it gives a huge benefit in the ability to identify vessels.

propbeanie · 06-11-22, 09:25 AM

That is what I was getting at above goldmastersims. The "zoom" view that CapnScurvy did is correct for the period, and is the same throughout the boat. The targeting range will be as close as is possible with computer pixels... which ain't very close... lol

As for the settings KM, I am lost beyond the Parent/Child linking as to what each of those settings does. It might make a difference, and then maybe not... sorry, but I am not skilled to understand...

nionios · 06-11-22, 10:55 AM

Is there anything strange with the torpedo loadout?
I play 1.7p3 without any other mods and I'm in Dutch Harbor 26 July 1942.

KaleunMarco · 06-11-22, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nionios

Is there anything strange with the torpedo loadout?
I play 1.7p3 without any other mods and I'm in Dutch Harbor 26 July 1942.

yes, there is.
welcome, by the way.

you have stumbled upon a well-known, unexpected feature (bug) in SH4.
there is no fix.
the best you can do it to replace the Mk14 with Mk10 before you shove off on patrol.

a work-around for you is to Reload prior to Ending Your Patrol. SH4 will reload your ammo according to what you shoved off with.

propbeanie · 06-11-22, 11:07 AM

That is the nature of the beast known as SH4 nionios... For a time, I had switched the torpedoes around such that the game loaded the Mark 10 torpedoes upon returning to base - but then the fleet boats loaded Mark 10s. So I put if back to the Mark 14 loading first, since most of the submarines in the game are fleet boats. There are several mentions of this in the mod's (as well as the Stock game's) documentation, in that a person has to be careful with re-loads.

Theoretically, if you stop at Midway (as an example) on your way back to Pearl and you re-load torpedoes, you should get the same load-out as what you left with originally. If you leave a few torpedoes in the bunker, you should end up with a full load of Mark 10s upon return to base. However, if you empty the stores and then return to base, you will end up with a load of Mark 14s, which is very un-historical, since the S-Boat's tubes were not long enough to accommodate the Mark14's length. However, the game doesn't really care, and will shoot them just as well as the historically correct Mark 10s... go figure. Anyway, the S-Boat skipper, if they want to be "historically correct" and carry nothing but Mark 10s, should check their stores in the bunker prior to departure, and swap the Mark 14 torpedoes for Mark 10s. The swap is "free", other than the time involved. Unfortunately, there is apparently nothing that can be done about this situation, since like some of the "date" issues where the game ignores date restrictions, it also ignores torpedo tube restrictions...

Edit: ... and KM is quicker to the response!!!... lol

KaleunMarco · 06-11-22, 03:25 PM

is there a Q-ship in the Japanese FOTRSU inventory?

nionios · 06-12-22, 04:42 AM

I haven't played FOTRSU for months and now in version 1.7p3 I see some yellow(vertical) and purple lines on the nav map.What exactly are these?

06-07-22, 08:48 AM	#4726
hunter301 Sonar Guy Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Central Florida, USA Posts: 377 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	This is the one I was referring to. The original. Looks like the stock TDC in the conning tower and much clearer and easier to read. The green one looks like a ghost ship that's been sitting at the bottom of the ocean...lol __________________ "Beware the beast Man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport or lust or greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land."- The Lawgiver "You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I get and beat you with till you understand who's in command." -ME

06-09-22, 11:19 PM	#4727
goldmastersims Bosun Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 64 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 0	TMO BH scopes implemented Just got scopes from TMO BH implemented. Complete with zoom. I'm making my own tweaked variant of this mod. Tentatively, I plan to get this out after 1.8 is out, but no promises.

06-10-22, 09:42 AM	#4728
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,749 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 2	As a note on this periscope subject, CapnScurvy added the optics from his Optical Targeting Correction (OTC) mod to FotRSU. Every view on the boat, whether periscope, binoculars, TBT, "open eye" etc., was painstakingly properly scaled to represent accurate views. Just be aware that you potentially alter that accuracy by changing the scopes. CapnScurvy has a posting on SubSim (that I cannot find) where he discusses this, and walked us through his testing procedure on how he came up with what he did for OTC and FotRSU. It is a very interesting subject, and the testing procedure is what we use to this day. Very thorough. If I can ever find it, I'll post a link. __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna

06-10-22, 05:08 PM	#4731
KaleunMarco Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Chicago area, which is more dangerous than Omaha Beach. Posts: 3,917 Downloads: 436 Uploads: 27	SV Radar and it detection range driving a Balao, January 1945 out of Guam. on patrol in the Luzon Straits. Bothered by planes coming from the general direction of Taiwan/Formosa. SV Radar installed at last refit. SV Radar is turned on. We detect an incoming at approx 10,000 yds out (5 nm). according to the info specs we should be detecting them at 17-30 nm. can you share which of the nodes in Sensors.dat is SV? I'd like to check the parms for that device. Thx. __________________ there are only two things in the world: submarines and targets. Fortis et stabilis et fidelis, semper ------------------------------------------------------------ Silent Hunter 4 1.5 Gold Edition on CDROM LAA enabled Dell XPS with 32 GB Ram running Win10

06-10-22, 07:03 PM	#4732
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,749 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 2	There are "slots" in the SubName.upc file, as well as in the UnitParts#SubName.upc file. First the Balao sub: [UserPlayerUnit 1.UpgradePackSlot 2] ID= UpgAirSearchRadar NameDisplayable= Air Search Radar Type=NULL AcceptedTypes=AirRadars, AirRadarsImp, AdvAirRadars UserCustomizable=Yes IDLinkUpgradePackSlots= EqSlot33, AirRadarAntenna IDLinkUpgradePackSlotsIntervalDefault1= NULL, 1943-03-11, SD Radar IDLinkUpgradePackSlotsIntervalDefault2= 1943-03-12, 1944-12-31, Improved SD Radar IDLinkUpgradePackSlotsIntervalDefault3= 1945-01-01, NULL, SV Elite Radar - That's the Upgrade "package"... and the UnitParts3Balao.upc: [UnitPart 1.Compartment 1.EquipmentSlot 2] ID= AirRadarAntenna NameDisplayable= Air Search Radar Antenna Type=NULL AcceptedTypes= NULL UserCustomizable=Yes IDLinkEquipmentIntervalDefault1= NULL, NULL, NULL ExternalNodeName3D= R02 ExternalDamageZoneTypeID3D= -1 Note that some subs have four UnitPart sections, such as the Gato. In some of the subs, their Surface Radar might change node designations, due to whether they are "supported" shafts, or "un-supported" shafts. Thankfully, the Air Search does not change very often, if at all. So the Balao for UnitPart 1 and UnitPart2 are both node R02: The Balao has two conns so that we can get it to go from the Mearsure 9 black paint, to the Measure 32 grey, otherwise, they are basically identical. Now, as to the range, the place to look for that is in the Data / Library / USSubParts / Sensors_sub_US.sim file, but you'll have to look in the dat file, and reference the Parent / Child link relationships to find the SV Elite Radar. Don't forget, there is a difference between the shaft and the actual radar antenna itself. Also, in FotRSU, the weather and sea-state will affect your radars ranges. The "beams" were narrowed by CapnScurvy to simulate their unreliability in that regard. Edit: Ain't that special... inet went out for a few minutes... ah well. To add to the above: I did not do a screen grab of the actual settings, but the range in the sim shows to be set to 32,000 (km?? nm??). One little side-note to this: One of the snorkels is using the same "ID"... we'll have to dig further into that... that would be for a U-Boat of course, but in my mind, it is still a "say whuh???" kinda thang... btw, the "radar" that you "see" on the sub is the 2nd from the left above there, with the big parabolic dish, while the actual "functional" part (Dummy_SV...) is the little red dot at the bottom of the picture, by that green line... __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna Last edited by propbeanie; 06-10-22 at 07:57 PM. Reason: Loss of comms, sir!

06-11-22, 02:05 AM	#4734
goldmastersims Bosun Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 64 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 0	Preliminary testing of the TMO BH scopes shows the Dick O' Kane method's accuracy is not affected. Hopefully, the stadimeter readings stay as accurate if done right. As I've expected, it gives a huge benefit in the ability to identify vessels.

06-11-22, 09:25 AM	#4735
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,749 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 2	That is what I was getting at above goldmastersims. The "zoom" view that CapnScurvy did is correct for the period, and is the same throughout the boat. The targeting range will be as close as is possible with computer pixels... which ain't very close... lol As for the settings KM, I am lost beyond the Parent/Child linking as to what each of those settings does. It might make a difference, and then maybe not... sorry, but I am not skilled to understand... __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna

06-11-22, 11:07 AM	#4738
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,749 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 2	That is the nature of the beast known as SH4 nionios... For a time, I had switched the torpedoes around such that the game loaded the Mark 10 torpedoes upon returning to base - but then the fleet boats loaded Mark 10s. So I put if back to the Mark 14 loading first, since most of the submarines in the game are fleet boats. There are several mentions of this in the mod's (as well as the Stock game's) documentation, in that a person has to be careful with re-loads. Theoretically, if you stop at Midway (as an example) on your way back to Pearl and you re-load torpedoes, you should get the same load-out as what you left with originally. If you leave a few torpedoes in the bunker, you should end up with a full load of Mark 10s upon return to base. However, if you empty the stores and then return to base, you will end up with a load of Mark 14s, which is very un-historical, since the S-Boat's tubes were not long enough to accommodate the Mark14's length. However, the game doesn't really care, and will shoot them just as well as the historically correct Mark 10s... go figure. Anyway, the S-Boat skipper, if they want to be "historically correct" and carry nothing but Mark 10s, should check their stores in the bunker prior to departure, and swap the Mark 14 torpedoes for Mark 10s. The swap is "free", other than the time involved. Unfortunately, there is apparently nothing that can be done about this situation, since like some of the "date" issues where the game ignores date restrictions, it also ignores torpedo tube restrictions... Edit: ... and KM is quicker to the response!!!... lol __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna Last edited by propbeanie; 06-11-22 at 11:09 AM. Reason: KM is faster still!

06-11-22, 03:25 PM	#4739
KaleunMarco Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Chicago area, which is more dangerous than Omaha Beach. Posts: 3,917 Downloads: 436 Uploads: 27	Q-ship is there a Q-ship in the Japanese FOTRSU inventory? __________________ there are only two things in the world: submarines and targets. Fortis et stabilis et fidelis, semper ------------------------------------------------------------ Silent Hunter 4 1.5 Gold Edition on CDROM LAA enabled Dell XPS with 32 GB Ram running Win10

06-12-22, 04:42 AM	#4740
nionios Sparky Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 150 Downloads: 82 Uploads: 0	I haven't played FOTRSU for months and now in version 1.7p3 I see some yellow(vertical) and purple lines on the nav map.What exactly are these?