Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I was one of those who laughed at Trump when he accused us the European to be to independent on Russia gas and oil.

Markus

All I can think of is the massive amount of bandwidth wasted here by our most notable creative writers and other know-it-alls writing pages upon pages and posted stupid memes about Trump collusion Putin Conspiracy theories. Michael Cohen is gonna drop the bomb ANY DAY NOW! Still waiting

"Putin Asks And Trump Delivers - A List Of All The Good Things Trump Did For Russia

Slate's Fred Kaplan writes:

The Washington Post’s Greg Miller reported Sunday that President Donald Trump’s confiscation of the translator’s notes from a one-on-one conversation with Russian President Vladimir Putin in 2017 was “unusual.” This is incorrect. It was unprecedented. There is nothing like it in the annals of presidential history.

Not really. Other U.S. leaders held long private meetings with their counterparts without notes being taken.
When Richard Nixon met Leonid Brezhnev he did not even bring his own interpreter:

George Szamuely @GeorgeSzamuely - 20:57 utc - 14 Jan 2019 Nixon would meet Brezhnev alone, the only other person in attendance being Viktor Sukhodrev, the Soviet interpreter. "Our first meeting in the Oval Office was private, except for Viktor Sukhodrev, who, as in 1972, acted as translator." Nixon on Brezhnev's 1973 visit. RN, p.878 . Therefore, the only "notes" that would exist would be those of the Soviet interpreter. Not sure he would have time to make notes and translate and, even if he did so, whether those notes would be housed in any US archive.

Nixon's White House office was bugged. There are probably tape recordings of the talks. There might also be recordings of the Trump-Putin talks.
At their 1986 Reykjavik summit Ronald Reagan and Mikhail Gorbachev talked without their notetakers:

Mr. Reagan and Mr. Gorbachev began their second day of talks with a private meeting that had been scheduled to last 15 minutes but ran for nearly 70 minutes, with only interpreters present. They met in a small room in the Soviet Mission, with the Soviet leader seated in a small armchair and Mr. Reagan on a sofa. In the afternoon, they meet alone for a little over 20 minutes and then again for 90 minutes. All told, the two leaders have spent 4 hours and 51 minutes alone, except for interpreters, over the two days here.

The archives of the Reykjavik talks do not include any notes of those private talks.

But, who knows, maybe Nixon and Reagan where also on the Russian payroll, just like Donald Trump is today.


Only that Trump is controlled by Putin can explain why the FBI opened a counter-intelligence investigation against Trump (see section three).

That the FBI agents involved in the decision were avid haters of Russia and of Trump has surely nothing to do with it. That the opening of a counter-intelligence investigation gave them the legal ability under Obama's EO12333 to use NSA signal intelligence against Trump is surely irrelevant.

What the FBI people really were concerned about is Trump's public record of favoring Russia at each and every corner.
Trump obviously wants better diplomatic relations with Russia. He is reluctant to counter its military might. He is doing his best to make it richer. Just consider the headlines below. With all those good things Trump did for Putin, intense suspicions of Russian influence over him is surely justified.

Trump deploys TANKS to Estonia as NATO builds up HUGE army on Russian border - Express, Feb 7 2017

Trump launches attack on Syria with 59 Tomahawk missiles - CNBC, Apr 6 2017

U.S. Rejects Exxon Mobil Bid for Waiver on Russia Sanctions - NYT, Apr 21 2017

Trump to promote U.S. natgas exports in Russia's backyard - Reuters, Jul 3 2017

Trump Urges East Europe to Loosen Russia's Grip With U.S. Gas - Bloomberg, Jul 6 2017

Trump signs bill approving new sanctions against Russia - CNN, Aug 3, 2017

Justice Dept Asks Russia's RT to Register as Foreign Agent - Newsmax, Sep 13 2017

US 'to restrict Russian military flights over America' - Independent, Sep 26 2017

Trump signs into law U.S. government ban on Kaspersky Lab software - Reuters, Dec 12 2017

Trump gives green light to selling lethal arms to Ukraine - The Hill, Dec 20 2017

U.S. Punishes Chechen Leader in New Sanctions Against Russians - NYT, Dec 20 2017

Sputnik Partner 'Required To Register' Under U.S. Foreign-Agent Law - RFERL, Jan 10 2018

Trump says Russia is helping North Korea avoid sanctions - CBSNews, Jan 17 2018

Trump's 'energy dominance' strategy is undercutting Russia's influence and business in Europe - Reuters, Feb 9 2018

Trump looks to deter Russia, China with $686B ask for Pentagon - The Hill, Feb 12 2018

American General In Syria Confirms US Forces Killed Hundreds Of Russians In Massive Battle - The Drive, Mar 16 2018

Trump orders expulsion of 60 Russian diplomats, closure of Seattle consulate - CBS, Mar 26 2018

Trump vows periodical dispatch of US troops to Baltic states, step up air defense - Lithuania Tribune, Apr 3 2018

Trump opposes Nord Stream II, questions Germany - AA, Apr 4 2018

Trump just hit Russian oligarchs with the most aggressive sanctions yet - Vice, Apr 6 2018

Trump orders missile strike on Syria military targets - CBSNews, Apr 9 2018

Aluminum Stocks Jump As Trump Sanctions Target Putin Pal - Investors, Apr 9 2018

Russia ‘deeply disappointed’ at Trump’s withdrawal from Iran deal - Times of Israel, May 9 2018

Trump to NATO allies: Raise military spending to 4 percent of GDP - AlJazeerah, Jul 12 2018

Trump says U.S. ties to NATO ‘very strong’ - Politico, Jul 12 2018

U.S. to sanction Turkey for receiving S-400 missiles - Ahval, Jul 27 2018

Trump administration to hit Russia with new sanctions for Skripal poisoning - NBC News Aug 8 2018

Space Force Is Trump’s Answer to New Russian and Chinese Weapons - FP, Aug 10 2018

US Sanctions Chinese Entity Over Purchase of Russian Fighters, S-400s – Treasury - Sputnik, Sep 20 2018

Trump hints at punitive action against India for buying S-400 from Russia - India Today, Oct 11 2018

Trump Agrees to Boost Pentagon's Budget to $750 Bln in 2019 - Reports - Sputnik, Oct 12 2018

Trump says US will withdraw from nuclear arms treaty with Russia - Guardian, Oct 21 2018

Haley Condemns ‘Outrageous’ Russian Firing on Ukrainian Ships - Bloomberg, Nov 26 2018

2 Trump Moves Cost This Russian-American CEO $2.3B - Forbes, Jan 14 2019

When one adds up all those actions one can only find that Trump cares more about Russia, than about the U.S. and its NATO allies. Only with Trump being under Putin's influence, knowingly or unwittingly, could he end up doing Russia so many favors.

Not.".

Like I said before the largest group of conspiracy theorists in the U.S are minions of the Democrat Party.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I was one of those who laughed at Trump when he accused us the European to be to independent on Russia gas and oil.

Markus

I underestimated the danger in it. Hell knows what devil was riding me. Not proud of it, definitely not. Big failure of mine and most of us over here.

But at least I am willing to learn the lesson, and doing so far beyond the imminent context. In my defence I also say regarding China however I have given up any illusions I might have had many many years ago aleady, and since years I am already against how far this project "globalization" has been pushed.

[tmccarthy]

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

Russian troops are being ousted from Severodonetsk despite "a tenfold advantage of the enemy in artillery", Ukraine's military intelligence chief says.

Severodonetsk is a strategically important city in the eastern Donbas region of Ukraine.

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Ukraine’s President Zelensky have spoken to talk about unblocking Ukrainian ports.

Russian state media has confirmed the death of one of Moscow's top generals during heavy fighting in the eastern Donbas region.

The UK has announced that it is sending its first long-range missiles to Ukraine.

The news came as Vladimir Putin warned of more attacks in Ukraine if the West sends long-range weapons to Kyiv.

[Jimbuna]

Lavrov's plane refused permission to fly to Serbia

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has cancelled his visit to Serbia.

Several neighbouring countries prevented his plane from passing through their airspace by refusing to authorise the "overflight", officials said.

Russian news agencies quoted ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova as saying: "The Russian delegation should have arrived in Belgrade for talks. But the EU and Nato member countries closed their airspace."

"Russian diplomacy has not yet learned how to teleport," a Russian diplomatic source told news agency Interfax.

Lavrov says he will now invite his Serbian counterpart Nikola Selakovic to visit him in Moscow, adding: "No one will be able to destroy our relations with Serbia".

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

Ukrainian forces are outnumbered in Severodonetsk but are holding out, Ukraine's president says.

Volodymyr Zelensky insists his troops have "every chance" of fighting back in the key eastern city.

Severodonetsk is a strategically important city in the Donbas region, where Russia has focused its offensive.

Meanwhile, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Zelensky have spoken to talk about unblocking Ukrainian ports.

Zelensky says as many as 75 million tonnes of grain could still be stuck in Ukraine in the autumn if Russia's blockade continues.

Russian state media has confirmed the death of one of Moscow's top generals during heavy fighting in the eastern Donbas region.

The UK has announced that it is sending its first long-range missiles to Ukraine.

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

Russian attacks on Severodonetsk and Lysychansk in the Donbas region has turned them into “dead cities”, Ukraine's President Zelensky tells journalists.

During his nightly address he said that his troops still had “every chance” of holding Severodonetsk despite being outnumbered by Russian forces.

Severodonetsk is a strategically important city in the Donbas region, where Russia has focused its offensive over recent weeks.

The bodies of some Ukrainian fighters killed at the Azovstal steelworks have been handed over to Kyiv, families of Ukraine's Azov unit say.

Meanwhile, Russia's UN ambassador has walked out of a Security Council meeting after his country was blamed for causing a global food crisis.

European Council President Charles Michel said Russia was using food supplies as a "stealth missile" against the developing world.

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

[Catfish]

The Russian soldiers refusing to fight in Ukraine:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61607184

[Skybird]

When looking at this war, nobody with a sane mind could have a doubt anymore that drones and missiles are the future of "mechanised" warfare. And I think if an enemy has access to weapons like these Western systems, than even Western modern tanks and platforms would be rendered outdated. Its like in past centuries, when heavy knights were rendered obsolete by archers with Bodkins arrowheads, and xbows, cavallary turning from heavy to light and then got smashed by light tanks, and so forth. An old pattern. I think the age of heavy armoured tanks is kind of coming to an end.
I would conclude something comparable on heavy warships for surface combat, and maybe even carriers.

The future seems to be agile, small platforms, lightly armoured and armed with drones and missiles.

Too many Western conceptions are unproven now, since they never were tested since WW2 against a foe on same technological level (which Iraq and Vietnam were not).

[Skybird]

FOCUS:


Ralph Thiele, Chairman of the Political-Military Society and President of EuroDefense Germany, takes a critical view of Ukraine's possible accession to the EU and NATO. "Ukraine was, after all, a very difficult state, key words being corruption and the mafia," says the security expert in an interview with "ntv." "The mafia is still active, for example, in selling the small arms that we supply to Ukraine. That's a real problem."

It's also problematic, he said, because it contradicts the principled ideas of the EU and NATO. "The basic idea in neither the EU nor NATO is, after all, that we take in problem children," Thiele explains. There is something "psychological about putting Ukraine on the list of candidates. But there is factual work to be done to bring it into a receptive state."

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