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Old 06-05-23, 04:24 AM   #1
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Icon12 Is AI possible launch torpedo

Well Is Ai Possible To Launch A Torpedo ? Yea it hardcoded But im always think What If Make new Shell But It Torpedo Like Rocket But i still doesnt knew last time test It The Torpedo Fly Lmao . But i Remember There Someone Make Mod That Usa Plane Can launch Torpedo
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Old 06-05-23, 06:22 AM   #2
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Well Is Ai Possible To Launch A Torpedo ? Yea it hardcoded But im always think What If Make new Shell But It Torpedo Like Rocket But i still doesnt knew last time test It The Torpedo Fly Lmao . But i Remember There Someone Make Mod That Usa Plane Can launch Torpedo
Not possible in SH3. There is still the Fido homing (acoustic) torpedo mod (make a search on this forum). A real attack with non-acoustic torpedoes is just impossible with the game mechanisms and AI.
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Old 06-30-23, 07:08 PM   #3
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Not possible in SH3. There is still the Fido homing (acoustic) torpedo mod (make a search on this forum). A real attack with non-acoustic torpedoes is just impossible with the game mechanisms and AI.
I think Chinese modder H.sie managed to get AI submarines to work with torpedoes. I personally have no idea how he managed it, so I would suggest downloading his patch and looking to see what his changes to the game are like.

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...d.php?t=174225

Be warned I am not 100% sure - his submarines may still use the "invisible gun" workaround to imitate torpedoes.

Now, for Silent Hunter 4 I can 100% confirm that AI torpedoes work on any ship or plane. The only problem is that they gradually sink over time, so AI units need to fire them at about 500 - 1000 meters. Not a big problem because that is a realistic torpedo range anyway.
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Old 07-01-23, 08:40 AM   #4
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All methods are "fakes" to "launch" torpedoes. There is the cannon method that H.sie used, and then there is the Torpedo Gun method that DarkFish used. That also used a cannon, but it spawned a torpedo when "shot". The game does not do AI "aiming" or "targeting" very well, so multiple shots from multiple angles are usually needed to get "hits" on the intended target. This can lead to undesirable effects, as you can imagine, if you have "torpedoes" going every which way. I wonder if they had AI torpedoes in Destroyer Command when a person played that "solo"... ??
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Old 07-02-23, 06:44 PM   #5
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Thanks for clarifying, propbeanie. In my experimentation with torpedoes for SH3, there have been two problems:

1) The game physics cause torpedoes to sink upon firing (unless you treat them like gun rounds, with high speed)

2) When generated, torpedoes appear in the wrong direction (I believe it was always North) regardless of orientation of the firing tube or launcher.

I have never seen anyone resolve these issues yet.
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The first to use an invisible cannon as a 'torpedo tube' was Sergei Butorin (sergbuto)!
H.sie appeared on the forum much later!



And about "AI" submarine :
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...9&postcount=42

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I've seen an AI submarine dive and launch torpedoes against me in a mod where you can play as a destroyer commander.
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The first to use an invisible cannon as a 'torpedo tube' was Sergei Butorin (sergbuto)!
H.sie appeared on the forum much later!

Yes indeed. He also did this:





and another that I cannot find... I also did not find his thread...

DarkFish did [REL] AI launched torpedoes in SH4, but I thought he was doing it in SH3 also, or maybe someone was copying off of him for it - or the other way around?? Been too long to remember all of that.
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I've seen an AI submarine dive and launch torpedoes against me in a mod where you can play as a destroyer commander.
Are you sure it was Silent Hunter 3? If so, that would be amazing modding work. I wonder if it was created by one of the Russian SH3 modders; due to the language barrier there are some excellent Russian SH3/4/5 mods that don't become too popular on subsim.

Regardless of who made it I would love to study that mod, if you are able to locate it.
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Just had a brainstorm about how maybe torpedoes could be implemented; it would involve a hack to the SH3 recoil animation for the in-game guns. Kind of a long shot and difficult to explain, but I will [eventually] investigate. Other modding (for SH4) comes first.
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Are you sure it was Silent Hunter 3? If so, that would be amazing modding work. I wonder if it was created by one of the Russian SH3 modders; due to the language barrier there are some excellent Russian SH3/4/5 mods that don't become too popular on subsim.

Regardless of who made it I would love to study that mod, if you are able to locate it.

Yes. SH3. Ask Tigerzhunters for the D/L link. The british sub makes the game crash, but not the german one. This AI submarine will dive at periscope depth as soon as it sees you, then launch one or several torpedoes directly on your course, and dive to around -60 m if you are close enough to it.
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Well i cant Share It Because it was not public also before i ask My Group Because it not only me that make it work it also some my freinds From South africa/Ukraine/Poland/France But it has 1 Thing thats Our group cant Managed to fix Sometimes If the Torpedo impact to You it Will crash you but sometimes it work and make you ded
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Yes indeed. He also did this:

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Indeed they can work like that, which was a pleasent surprise after hearing for so long that it's impossible. I've recently edited the Hsie/Stiebler version of the air-dropped torpedos to be fired from several different aircraft since the original Hsie mod only had them dropped by one special version of the Avenger. Now the mid-late war years have more of a 'Cold Waters' feel to it. This might at first sound like overkill but it's balanced by two things; in my custom campaigns it's easier to get late-war tech including the XXI sub, plus the torpdoes are far from being an assured hit. They may or may not be dropped in a good direction and then may or may not aquire your engine noise depending on how loud your sub is. They do at least keep you on your toes; needing to dive fast to avoid the plane's conventional weapons, and then go slow or deep to avoid the torpedo from aquiring your engine noise.

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Old 07-30-23, 12:19 PM   #15
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plus the torpdoes are far from being an assured hit. They may or may not be dropped in a good direction and then may or may not aquire your engine noise depending on how loud your sub is. They do at least keep you on your toes; needing to dive fast to avoid the plane's conventional weapons, and then go slow or deep to avoid the torpedo from acquiring your engine noise.
as a fellow bigtime XXI player, I'm intrigued. Have you actually been hit by one before? I had passed over this mod because frankly, the Mk24's performance doesn't look too intimidating compared to the XXI's performance. Here are some of uboat.net's stats on the weapon:

Speed and Endurance: 12 kts for approx. 15 min
Search Pattern: Initial circle search approximately 150 ft (45m) dia. at 50 ft (15m) depth; shift to acoustic homing upon target detection. Initial search depth was later changed to 150 ft (45m).

Unless the weapon is meaner than that in this mod, it kind of sounds like the XXI is immune unless in shallow water. As a fellow elektroboot driver I'm sure you know, we can reach 100m in a matter of seconds, while maintaining 11-12kt even with the dive planes set for crash-dive.

At this point I'll probably still give it a go. Anything that makes the XXI harder to play would be welcome. But like I said, I'd be eager to know if you've actually been struck by one.

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