windows XP question

desertstriker · 07-03-13, 10:21 PM

been thinking about putting windows XP on the secondary hard drive for those games that require something that can run 16 bit games that just cant be played on windows 7 i am also thinkong about turning it into my gaming harddrive . My question is will windows XP have more than 4 gigs of RAM on it and recognize/use it?

Herr-Berbunch · 07-04-13, 02:06 AM

Any 32-bit OS will only recognise and use 3.5, to use more you need a 64-bit OS of XP, Vista (spits), or W7 flavour.

It's ok to install those things that cannot run on W7 but game load times for W7 are generally faster for the others.

danasan · 07-04-13, 02:43 AM

There can be some trouble when installing XP AFTER Win 7. It can happen that Win 7 won't boot up. But there is a workaround. If you install XP first, all will be fine.

the_tyrant · 07-04-13, 02:45 AM

Please don't bother with XP 64bit, its horrible. Vista 64 bit is better lol.

The thing is, you need a 32 bit OS to run 64 bit programs. Even 32bit version of windows, even 7 and 8 can run 16 bit programs (although the newer versions of windows might run into compatibility problems)

danasan · 07-04-13, 02:57 AM

XP 64 driver support was ...hmm... tricky. But after having it set up properly, it ran rather stable. NEVER touch the installation then again.

longam · 07-04-13, 06:01 AM

VMWare has come along way.

http://www.vmware.com/products/player/overview.html

desertstriker · 07-04-13, 08:33 AM

tried VM ware before around the holiday seson but ran into much of the same problems minus the need a 32 bit OS to run errors. i think it all comes down to the games i am talking about are for win 95/98 (and yes they ran on XP way back) all i was just kind of hoping is to be able to get some of the games that where designed for that would "red line" the RAM to run more smothly. as for install issues like i said different hard drive that never had windows installed or was RAIDed to my primary.

i also remember one of my friends that was more geeky than me once said that their was a way to "bypass" the 4 gig XP issue and that the 32 bit systems of later OS had a self imposed limit built into them. i remembered that it had something to do with editing a kernal (this was when i was not so intreasted in computers though and would kind of ignore him though) and a seach of google is as much a pain in the stern. oh well.

the_tyrant · 07-04-13, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by desertstriker

tried VM ware before around the holiday seson but ran into much of the same problems minus the need a 32 bit OS to run errors. i think it all comes down to the games i am talking about are for win 95/98 (and yes they ran on XP way back) all i was just kind of hoping is to be able to get some of the games that where designed for that would "red line" the RAM to run more smothly. as for install issues like i said different hard drive that never had windows installed or was RAIDed to my primary.

i also remember one of my friends that was more geeky than me once said that their was a way to "bypass" the 4 gig XP issue and that the 32 bit systems of later OS had a self imposed limit built into them. i remembered that it had something to do with editing a kernal (this was when i was not so intreasted in computers though and would kind of ignore him though) and a seach of google is as much a pain in the stern. oh well.

that is not true lol, you can't magically turn 32 bit into 64 bit lol.

I am sitting in a restaurant in France, so my memory might be fuzzy, but 32 bit can only address 3.5 GB something of ram because that is 2^32 bits. 64 bit allows you to use a lot more ram because it can address 2^64 bits of it.

Pisces · 07-04-13, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by the_tyrant

that is not true lol, you can't magically turn 32 bit into 64 bit lol.

I am sitting in a restaurant in France, so my memory might be fuzzy, but 32 bit can only address 3.5 GB something of ram because that is 2^32 bits. 64 bit allows you to use a lot more ram because it can address 2^64 bits of it.

Well, say the magic words Physical Adress Extension (PAE), and it is done. But it is apparently limited to Windows Server editions. Windows clients are still limited to 4GB with 32 bit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_address_extension

desertstriker · 07-04-13, 05:53 PM

thats it lol. sory guys this wifi card is on the fritz and been meaning to get a new one to replace it so all edits are becuase of double posts from said wificard

07-03-13, 10:21 PM	#1
desertstriker Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2012 Location: mod soup bar and grill Posts: 1,756 Downloads: 998 Uploads: 0	windows XP question been thinking about putting windows XP on the secondary hard drive for those games that require something that can run 16 bit games that just cant be played on windows 7 i am also thinkong about turning it into my gaming harddrive . My question is will windows XP have more than 4 gigs of RAM on it and recognize/use it?

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Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	Any 32-bit OS will only recognise and use 3.5, to use more you need a 64-bit OS of XP, Vista (spits), or W7 flavour. It's ok to install those things that cannot run on W7 but game load times for W7 are generally faster for the others. __________________

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danasan Elite Spam Hunter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Flensburg / Germany Posts: 1,141 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	There can be some trouble when installing XP AFTER Win 7. It can happen that Win 7 won't boot up. But there is a workaround. If you install XP first, all will be fine. __________________ "I invite you to go inside this submergible hole in the water where you can nicely hide from destroyers."

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the_tyrant Admiral Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 2,272 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	Please don't bother with XP 64bit, its horrible. Vista 64 bit is better lol. The thing is, you need a 32 bit OS to run 64 bit programs. Even 32bit version of windows, even 7 and 8 can run 16 bit programs (although the newer versions of windows might run into compatibility problems) __________________ My own open source project on Sourceforge OTP.net KGB grade encryption for the rest of us

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danasan Elite Spam Hunter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Flensburg / Germany Posts: 1,141 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	XP 64 driver support was ...hmm... tricky. But after having it set up properly, it ran rather stable. NEVER touch the installation then again. __________________ "I invite you to go inside this submergible hole in the water where you can nicely hide from destroyers."

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longam Admiral Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,014 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	VMWare has come along way. http://www.vmware.com/products/player/overview.html

07-04-13, 08:33 AM	#7
desertstriker Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2012 Location: mod soup bar and grill Posts: 1,756 Downloads: 998 Uploads: 0	tried VM ware before around the holiday seson but ran into much of the same problems minus the need a 32 bit OS to run errors. i think it all comes down to the games i am talking about are for win 95/98 (and yes they ran on XP way back) all i was just kind of hoping is to be able to get some of the games that where designed for that would "red line" the RAM to run more smothly. as for install issues like i said different hard drive that never had windows installed or was RAIDed to my primary. i also remember one of my friends that was more geeky than me once said that their was a way to "bypass" the 4 gig XP issue and that the 32 bit systems of later OS had a self imposed limit built into them. i remembered that it had something to do with editing a kernal (this was when i was not so intreasted in computers though and would kind of ignore him though) and a seach of google is as much a pain in the stern. oh well.

07-04-13, 05:53 PM	#10
desertstriker Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2012 Location: mod soup bar and grill Posts: 1,756 Downloads: 998 Uploads: 0	thats it lol. sory guys this wifi card is on the fritz and been meaning to get a new one to replace it so all edits are becuase of double posts from said wificard