Over Flanders Fields - Page 15

Stealth Hunter · 01-18-09, 05:51 PM

Don't worry, Hunter. We won't go to war with them. We're just having a good laugh and a friendly conversation over their flaws...

But if we do go to war, our BF-109s and Yaks will destroy their Fokker DR.1s and Spads.:rotfl:

TarJak · 01-18-09, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Just in case if any of you guys at Sim-Outhouse are reading this, we wouldn't pay $75 for a submarine mod... as your friend OvS insinuated. The Grey Wolves mod team has, for years, never charged a cent for all their work, and they've been happy to send out disks free of charge to people who can't download their mod. They've accepted donations, but they've never forced you to pay for anything. That is the biggest difference between OFF and GWX.

Just clarifying a point of fact. The GWX team has never received a cent for the work it has done. GWX2.1 was given early release to subsimmers who made donations to subsim to enable Neal to keep this site going. None of the money went to GWX.

Dowly · 01-18-09, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by HunterICX

Lets not start a Forum War, we do not want to sink to their level do we?

HunterICX

I'm already waaaaay below their level.

EDIT: Do they have an email addy I could contact them to? :hmm:

JG52Uther · 01-18-09, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JG52Uther

Just out of interest.IF GWX had been a paid add-on for $50,how many of you would still be floating around in standard SH3?

So,not many answers.Theres a surprise.

Stealth Hunter · 01-18-09, 06:37 PM

I wouldn't have paid $50 for it.

Dowly · 01-18-09, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JG52Uther

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Originally Posted by JG52Uther

Just out of interest.IF GWX had been a paid add-on for $50,how many of you would still be floating around in standard SH3?

So,not many answers.Theres a surprise.

You know, not anyone wants to pay 50€ for an update and that' exactly what OFF3 is, an update. They didnt make the mod from scratch again, they took OFF2 and added few things. Now, please, tell me, why should I pay a full game's price of that?

If you want to pay the 50€, fine, do so.

Everyone still has the right to give their opinion (atleast at SubSim), respect it.

PS. To your question, depends, if it was like OFF2->OFF3, no. If it was from stock SH3 to GWX3.0, yes.

Dowly · 01-18-09, 06:49 PM

On other news, can you get to the OFF forums or is my IP blocked?

Biggles · 01-18-09, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JG52Uther

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Originally Posted by JG52Uther

Just out of interest.IF GWX had been a paid add-on for $50,how many of you would still be floating around in standard SH3?

So,not many answers.Theres a surprise.

If I'd find it in a store, maybe. Not as a download from a "secure" website. A mod is a mod, no matter if you put a price label on it.

Fincuan · 01-18-09, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

On other news, can you get to the OFF forums or is my IP blocked?

Looks like they're down atm, or they just blocked Finland from the forums

Kratos · 01-18-09, 07:14 PM

its down for a reboot it seems :hmm:

NeonSamurai · 01-18-09, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JG52Uther

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Originally Posted by JG52Uther

Just out of interest.IF GWX had been a paid add-on for $50,how many of you would still be floating around in standard SH3?

So,not many answers. Theres a surprise.

The answer is pretty much no, most of us would not have. Most of us are use to not paying large sums of money for mods (even really good mods). Modders here mod for the joy of modding, and to the appreciation of the community.

As a modder myself I have never even once thought of asking for money for original content, no matter how much time I have invested in a mod. Its not why I mod. As for the argument of costs, that is nonsense and we all know it, there are ways around the costs such as sites like file front, or torrents.

Biggles · 01-18-09, 07:49 PM

Just thought of the Forgotten Hope Mod for BF1942. It changed the game completely yet the devs. never asked for my credit card number.

Stealth Hunter · 01-18-09, 10:10 PM

ROF will have OFF beat by a mile. Just look at it:

GSpector · 01-19-09, 08:23 AM

Aren't they charging for ROF? I would expect it to be better, after all, they control every aspect of the engine and everything else.

Personally, if the OFF mod was sold for under $30 like many store bought Mods, I'd be ok with it and in fact, I'd probably have it now.

Catfish · 01-19-09, 12:37 PM

Hello,
the pictures from "Rise of Flight" (RoF) sure look good, and i am glad they went on with the project - the Gennadich team was first working on the "Knights of the Sky" WWI sim, but were not allowed by Oleg to use an improved IL2 engine or so it seemed, so they cancelled the project, had to go for another engine and rebuild from the rubble.

There are even better photos from "RoF" with crash-landed planes, showing some damage modelling, and films showing the DR.I starting, and in flight.
On the photos the Fokker D.VII looks a bit too shiny with its Zebra camo as well as the SPAD (no weathering?), and "RoF" altogether seems to be planned for online play (which is good), but you only have three (?) flyable planes, no campaign, only german vs. american, and from 1917 to 18. Though I am sure the RoF team will improve this .. I believe the OFF team will also be happy to fly another sim now and then, they already said so lol. B.t.w. there is a recent interview at SimHQ http://www.simhq.com/_air12/air_395a
Seems they have some 15 Gb of textures, skins etc.. For what i heard (not in this interview) they did indeed change the hard coded files from CFS3, but with official approval from Microsoft. It is common in the IT business to buy a developer's kit (SDK or what's it called) e.g. for MS Access, build a special application based on it, and then resell it with official approval. But then probably not in the game modding scene.

There are also other interested members from the aerodrome forum or wherever who regularly help all teams that intend to go for WWI
flight sims without charging, for historical accuracy etc., like Rabu, but also a lot of others. I do not know why Stealth Hunter has an axe to grind with the OFF team, but i am not in the mood to interfere for either side.

I would certainly prefer to get phase 3 for free, like 1 and 2, but i still think it's worth it (but then it seems it's just me). And I would probably have even paid something for GWX, or the NYGM mod, because i think they also deserved it, if not more. I am certainly happy i got all this for free.
On the other hand i would not have bought anything from this X1 company or what it was called, who stole mods from subsim modders, and tried to sell it as an SH3 add-on. Doing so was approved by Ubisoft, and i will never understand this.

Greetings,
Catfish

01-18-09, 07:14 PM	#220
Kratos Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,267 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	its down for a reboot it seems :hmm: __________________

01-18-09, 07:49 PM	#222
Biggles Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sweden (I'm not a Viking...) Posts: 3,528 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Just thought of the Forgotten Hope Mod for BF1942. It changed the game completely yet the devs. never asked for my credit card number. __________________

01-19-09, 08:23 AM	#224
GSpector Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 676 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Aren't they charging for ROF? I would expect it to be better, after all, they control every aspect of the engine and everything else. Personally, if the OFF mod was sold for under $30 like many store bought Mods, I'd be ok with it and in fact, I'd probably have it now. __________________ Specter

01-18-09, 05:51 PM	#211
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Don't worry, Hunter. We won't go to war with them. We're just having a good laugh and a friendly conversation over their flaws... But if we do go to war, our BF-109s and Yaks will destroy their Fokker DR.1s and Spads.:rotfl:

01-18-09, 06:37 PM	#215
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	I wouldn't have paid $50 for it.

01-18-09, 06:49 PM	#217
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,005 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	On other news, can you get to the OFF forums or is my IP blocked?

01-18-09, 10:10 PM	#223
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	ROF will have OFF beat by a mile. Just look at it:

01-19-09, 12:37 PM	#225
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,898 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Hello, the pictures from "Rise of Flight" (RoF) sure look good, and i am glad they went on with the project - the Gennadich team was first working on the "Knights of the Sky" WWI sim, but were not allowed by Oleg to use an improved IL2 engine or so it seemed, so they cancelled the project, had to go for another engine and rebuild from the rubble. There are even better photos from "RoF" with crash-landed planes, showing some damage modelling, and films showing the DR.I starting, and in flight. On the photos the Fokker D.VII looks a bit too shiny with its Zebra camo as well as the SPAD (no weathering?), and "RoF" altogether seems to be planned for online play (which is good), but you only have three (?) flyable planes, no campaign, only german vs. american, and from 1917 to 18. Though I am sure the RoF team will improve this .. I believe the OFF team will also be happy to fly another sim now and then, they already said so lol. B.t.w. there is a recent interview at SimHQ http://www.simhq.com/_air12/air_395a Seems they have some 15 Gb of textures, skins etc.. For what i heard (not in this interview) they did indeed change the hard coded files from CFS3, but with official approval from Microsoft. It is common in the IT business to buy a developer's kit (SDK or what's it called) e.g. for MS Access, build a special application based on it, and then resell it with official approval. But then probably not in the game modding scene. There are also other interested members from the aerodrome forum or wherever who regularly help all teams that intend to go for WWI flight sims without charging, for historical accuracy etc., like Rabu, but also a lot of others. I do not know why Stealth Hunter has an axe to grind with the OFF team, but i am not in the mood to interfere for either side. I would certainly prefer to get phase 3 for free, like 1 and 2, but i still think it's worth it (but then it seems it's just me). And I would probably have even paid something for GWX, or the NYGM mod, because i think they also deserved it, if not more. I am certainly happy i got all this for free. On the other hand i would not have bought anything from this X1 company or what it was called, who stole mods from subsim modders, and tried to sell it as an SH3 add-on. Doing so was approved by Ubisoft, and i will never understand this. Greetings, Catfish