US Politics Thread 2021-24

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

What is the DOJ pursuing? My understanding it concerns the mishandling of classified material. But then the article I pasted goes into some tuff questions which might arise. Like ya said: Kobayashi Maru. But IMO it’s a good choice because they can play this out til hell freezes over if they want. Or at least until midterms and the next presidential election.

Illegal possesion of national defense documents. Calssification does not matter.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Illegal possesion of national defense documents. Calssification does not matter.

You might want to read the warrant then, particularly Attachment B ‘property to be seized’ paragraphs (a.),(b.),(c.) and (d.). It was pretty much the basis for the entire search.

https://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnb...7854170_12.pdf

And just an FYI the term “National Defense Information” is a classification for certain information, like FOUO or UNCLASS.

ATTACHMENT B

Property to be seized

All physical documents and records constituting evidence, contraband, fruits of crime, or other items illegally possessed in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 793, 2071, or 1519, including the following:

(18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information
18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
18 U.S. Code § 1519 - Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in Federal investigations and bankruptcy)

a. Any physical documents with classification markings, along with any containers/boxes (including any other contents) in which such documents are located, as well as any other containers/boxes that are collectively stored or found together with the aforementioned documents and containers/boxes;

b. Information, including communications in any form, regarding the retrieval, storage, or transmission of national defense information or classified material;

c. Any government and/or Presidential Records created between January 20, 2017, and January 20, 2021; or

d. Anyevidenceoftheknowingalteration,destruction,orco ncealmentof any government and/or Presidential Records, or of any documents with classification markings.

The questions in the article I posted earlier are quite relevant. I also could not find anything on the DOJ website of them doing anything about this unprecedented seizure by the FBI, nothing but headlines and gossip. Of course I must admit my searches have been limited.

[Dowly]

..Why would the DOJ do something about the seizure? The DOJ is leading the investigation.


Also, just because something is unprecedented, doesn't mean it's somehow wrong or shouldn't be done.


The FBI went in to look for any remaining documents that were not for Trump to keep, they found them. Trump is quilty of that, there's no question about it. Thanks to Trump's big mouth, we know he was aware of them. That there turned out to be highly/classified information is just adding to the pile.


Btw, Trump's lawyers are asking for security clearance to be able to have a look at the documents. Strange, considering Trump says they're declassified.

[Rockstar]

we all know Trump is a blow hard, I’d say most if not all politicians are. Some are arrogant. Some are narcissists. Some are old East German Soviet sympathizers colluding with Putin to hold Europe hostage and some are just ditzy two timing drunken whores.

As for declassifying information he has a point IF it was done while he held office. But that doesn’t seem to be the case.

After reading this article linked below there doesn’t appear to have been a sensational surprise raid of armed FBI agents storming the palace. In reality it seems everyone and their mother knew what documents were in that vault/safe and after several legalese letters between lawyers and government agencies. NARA eventually provided the FBI access to the records and the FBI was accompanied by a Trump representative when they retrieved them. As for the warrant it doesn’t prove guilt it’s not what it’s for. It’s there to cover the investigators arse and protect the rights of every citizen in our country as it puts restrictions on what our government can search for and retrieve. Namely the documents listed in the warrant.

And so the show goes on.

https://lawandcrime.com/trump/nation...om-mar-a-lago/

[Buddahaid]

Right and if he would have just spent an hour or two collecting and returning them we wouldn't be talking about it. He's an idiot.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Right and if he would have just spent an hour or two collecting and returning them we wouldn't be talking about it. He's an idiot.

True he may be an idiot but I’m not so sure those ‘believers’ in all of the headlines and accusations against him are much different than he is. What I mean is, if they took the time to actually think for themselves we most likely wouldn’t be talking about any of this to begin with, it shouldn’t have even been a blip on the RADAR. Unfortunately Blue Anon thinks it’s everyone but they who are conspiracy theorists.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

True he may be an idiot but I’m not so sure those ‘believers’ in all of the headlines and accusations against him are much different than he is. If they took the time to actually think for themselves you’re right we wouldn’t be talking about this.

Except they aren't the ones holding onto national defense documents. If he were the patriot he likens himself to be he would have helped find and turn them in right away. An idiot and security risk.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Except they aren't the ones holding onto national defense documents. If he were the patriot he likens himself to be he would have helped find and turn them in right away. An idiot and security risk.

Well, I don’t know what to tell ya other than I’m not defending him and if believing what you said helps you sleep better night have at it. Let me know how the indictment watch goes.

[em2nought]

Spot on!

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Dowly

..Why would the DOJ do something about the seizure? The DOJ is leading the investigation.


Also, just because something is unprecedented, doesn't mean it's somehow wrong or shouldn't be done.


The FBI went in to look for any remaining documents that were not for Trump to keep, they found them. Trump is quilty of that, there's no question about it. Thanks to Trump's big mouth, we know he was aware of them. That there turned out to be highly/classified information is just adding to the pile.


Btw, Trump's lawyers are asking for security clearance to be able to have a look at the documents. Strange, considering Trump says they're declassified.

Dowly,Hillary Clinton had your politician's ball's in her hand.She was able to destroy that information and save their Careers.Your Country shall always kneel and follow the instructions of the Democratic party Of America never forget that.We will see how your politicians take your country in the future.Remember this America will not go to war for Finland. But if can we will stick missiles on your soil.We will do this and you must accept them NATO Partner.Someone must absorbed and be sacrificed for the good of the Planet. Welcome to the Collective.

[ET2SN]

More from Deep Goat:



Notice the box on the shelf labeled "not secret".

What Beau is talking about:

[Reece]

What's the news about Illinois passing a law ending cash bail? Gives references to a movie "The Purge".

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...umors/2951264/

https://news.yahoo.com/illinois-beco...ycsrp_catchall

https://nypost.com/2022/09/17/illino...nto-the-purge/

Doesn't sound good!

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Reece

What's the news about Illinois passing a law ending cash bail? Gives references to a movie "The Purge".

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...umors/2951264/

https://news.yahoo.com/illinois-beco...ycsrp_catchall

https://nypost.com/2022/09/17/illino...nto-the-purge/

Doesn't sound good!

Well hell it's,Illinois they have a rich history.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Reece

What's the news about Illinois passing a law ending cash bail? Gives references to a movie "The Purge".

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...umors/2951264/

https://news.yahoo.com/illinois-beco...ycsrp_catchall

https://nypost.com/2022/09/17/illino...nto-the-purge/

Doesn't sound good!

Try this explanation on for size.

[Rockstar]

Let’s talk about that looney kool aide drinking blue anon headline chasing conspiracy theorist and all who follow him that don’t have a clue what they’re talking about because they listen too idiots like that clown.
The argument doesn’t have jack squat to with excessive bail or rich republicans & conservative trumpets tearing down the 8th amendment oppressing the poor. One of the problems among others for some is that there is NO bail, zero, zilch, nada for certain criminal acts. They are just released on the own recognizance.

Here are the actual REAL arguments being filed.

https://news.wttw.com/sites/default/...%20Lawsuit.pdf

https://news.wttw.com/sites/default/...aintHB3653.pdf

https://news.wttw.com/sites/default/...01-652-min.pdf