[REL] Fifi Enhancements for NYGM

Fifi · 05-05-24, 07:35 AM

Error found: SCR file, group 29, COGabbiano type 7 instead of type 3

WHAT IS INCREDIBLE IS THIS ERROR WAS NEVER DETECTED BY THE SHVALIDATOR !!!

I will not trust this application anymore

Many days lost searching manually.

Next update will come soon

GrenSo · 05-05-24, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Fifi

Next update will come soon

Perfect and I'm looking forward.

Silentmauri89 · 05-07-24, 12:49 PM

Hi, FIFI. I've been testing the mediterrenean campaign for a week now (starting from january 1942), and i'm literally grazing on the surface at whatever time of the day, without encountering any single allied aircraft. I start to see few spitfire around october 1942, but before that, I can basically pass 10 miles from "La valletta" without any consecuences.
I could transfer eels at noon from the deck reserve, and I'd have the certainty of surviving (very far from being hunted until battery exhaution).
By historical facts, the mediterrenean was a nightmare for the Uboats, and it was very difficult to escape untouched. I know you're busy, but do you think you could check what is going on? Do you think it would be possible to add units, so to make "the med" the nightmare it really was ? In the meanwhile i'm heading to La Spezia for the refuelling...hoping 1943 is better.
Anyway, the allied and axis naval traffic was great, and I got the chance to sink 3 units, so far.
Thank you for your amazing work, and again, Thank you fr the Type viib railings.

Fifi · 05-07-24, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Silentmauri89

Hi, FIFI. I've been testing the mediterrenean campaign for a week now (starting from january 1942), and i'm literally grazing on the surface at whatever time of the day, without encountering any single allied aircraft. I start to see few spitfire around october 1942, but before that, I can basically pass 10 miles from "La valletta" without any consecuences.
I could transfer eels at noon from the deck reserve, and I'd have the certainty of surviving (very far from being hunted until battery exhaution).
By historical facts, the mediterrenean was a nightmare for the Uboats, and it was very difficult to escape untouched. I know you're busy, but do you think you could check what is going on? Do you think it would be possible to add units, so to make "the med" the nightmare it really was ? In the meanwhile i'm heading to La Spezia for the refuelling...hoping 1943 is better.
Anyway, the allied and axis naval traffic was great, and I got the chance to sink 3 units, so far.
Thank you for your amazing work, and again, Thank you fr the Type viib railings.

Thanks for reporting

Will check Mediterranean air threats

But if I make changes, you’ll have to restart new career …

Edit : but keep in mind no air threat in Med before the Allies started to invade North Africa (November 42). They didn’t have any air base before!

Hooston · 05-07-24, 05:32 PM

Sorry Fifi, but the Italians and British were scrapping in the Med long before the U-boats and the Americans arrived.

830 naval air squadron, 202 squadron and 233 squadron operated various flying boats, Hudsons and Fairey Swordfish from Gibraltar and Malta from very early in the war.

Swordfish from carriers were operated with bombs from land bases (in Egypt, Libya, Palestine etc) when the carriers were not operating, and there was the Desert Air Force with P40's, Hurricanes, Wellingtons and Blenheims that might have a go at a submarine.

According to https://www.uboat.net/maps/mediterranean.htm they contributed to the following in the Med in 1942. Remember the Uboats only started to arrive in September 1941!

U577 15 January 1942

U573 1 May 1942
U568 28 May 1942 (spotted by a Blenheim, sunk by ships)
U652 2 june 1942 (damaged by a swordfish, then scuttled)
U372 4 August 1942 (shared Wellington and ships)

U559 30 October 1942 (spotted by a Wellesley, sunk by ships)

U605 14 November 1942
U595 14 November 1942
U331 17 November 1942
U259 15 November 1942

You can guess the air threat from the sinking locations on the map.

Sorry to load you up with even more work!

FUBAR295 · 05-07-24, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hooston

Sorry Fifi, but the Italians and British were scrapping in the Med long before the U-boats and the Americans arrived.

830 naval air squadron, 202 squadron and 233 squadron operated various flying boats, Hudsons and Fairey Swordfish from Gibraltar and Malta from very early in the war.

Swordfish from carriers were operated with bombs from land bases (in Egypt, Libya, Palestine etc) when the carriers were not operating, and there was the Desert Air Force with P40's, Hurricanes, Wellingtons and Blenheims that might have a go at a submarine.

According to https://www.uboat.net/maps/mediterranean.htm they contributed to the following in the Med in 1942. Remember the Uboats only started to arrive in September 1941!

U577 15 January 1942

U573 1 May 1942
U568 28 May 1942 (spotted by a Blenheim, sunk by ships)
U652 2 june 1942 (damaged by a swordfish, then scuttled)
U372 4 August 1942 (shared Wellington and ships)

U559 30 October 1942 (spotted by a Wellesley, sunk by ships)

U605 14 November 1942
U595 14 November 1942
U331 17 November 1942
U259 15 November 1942

You can guess the air threat from the sinking locations on the map.

Sorry to load you up with even more work!

As my friend John Pancoast says "Realism does not always equal better game play" or something to the effect. Case in point below, from Steibler on NYGM 3.6F release readme :

- Reduced aircraft frequency around British Isles. (NYGM 3.6A) The frequency with which Hurricane aircraft are spawned around the British Isles has been reduced by a random factor of about four. It was previously almost impossible to surface in 1940 in the vicinity of the British Isles, without being attacked.

The air cover was tweak to around 75% historical points around Great Britain, but it made game play awful.

You would surface and in about 15 minutes you were attacked again, this repeated ever time you surfaced. Historical, yes, game play wise, not so much. It got boring and coming back with most of your torpedoes was not great either. Stiebler came back and tweaked this back to make it playable. You need to strike a balance between historical and game play. GWX air cover for the Med is a nice balance from what I recall. Make it interesting but not impossible.

Good hunting,
FUBAR295

HW3 · 05-07-24, 09:10 PM

Hooston · 05-08-24, 01:49 AM

I get your point. A realistic Med campaign would be very boring from a u-boat view. Until the Torch landings there was very little traffic to shoot at. Lots of small sailing vessels near Egypt and Palestine, ASW groups near Gibraltar and very rare fleet operations and heavily escorted convoys. Not many allied lone merchants!

https://uboat.net/ops/med-ove.htm

Malta is a strange one as the air cover varied greatly depending on how hard the Germans (and Italians) were trying to bomb the place. However there was always some allied presence. Operating a uboat thereabouts would be very difficult because of the huge amounts of mines spread by both sides. Mines do not really provide satisfying game play.

There really should be some areas where operating on the surface in good weather is extremely dangerous. Gibraltar should be one of these. The air cover needs to be high enough to force the player to only surface for the minimum time necessary. As I understand the game this would have to be tweaked with scripted patrols. Apart from the work involved the trouble with these is I don't think they account for weather conditions. The other big problem for a Med campaign is the lousy SH3 weather - it does NOT feel right!

05-05-24, 07:35 AM	#1
Fifi Navy Seal Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: France Posts: 5,759 Downloads: 456 Uploads: 0	Error found: SCR file, group 29, COGabbiano type 7 instead of type 3 WHAT IS INCREDIBLE IS THIS ERROR WAS NEVER DETECTED BY THE SHVALIDATOR !!! I will not trust this application anymore Many days lost searching manually. Next update will come soon __________________ https://www.mediafire.com/file/23e48...N_V5.9.7z/file

05-07-24, 12:49 PM	#3
Silentmauri89 Seaman Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: Shadowing convoys Posts: 42 Downloads: 209 Uploads: 0	Grazing on the surface in the mediterrenean 1942 Hi, FIFI. I've been testing the mediterrenean campaign for a week now (starting from january 1942), and i'm literally grazing on the surface at whatever time of the day, without encountering any single allied aircraft. I start to see few spitfire around october 1942, but before that, I can basically pass 10 miles from "La valletta" without any consecuences. I could transfer eels at noon from the deck reserve, and I'd have the certainty of surviving (very far from being hunted until battery exhaution). By historical facts, the mediterrenean was a nightmare for the Uboats, and it was very difficult to escape untouched. I know you're busy, but do you think you could check what is going on? Do you think it would be possible to add units, so to make "the med" the nightmare it really was ? In the meanwhile i'm heading to La Spezia for the refuelling...hoping 1943 is better. Anyway, the allied and axis naval traffic was great, and I got the chance to sink 3 units, so far. Thank you for your amazing work, and again, Thank you fr the Type viib railings. __________________ Well,men...all set? - All set, Sir!

05-07-24, 05:32 PM	#5
Hooston Sparky Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 154 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Med air threat should be strong in 1942 Sorry Fifi, but the Italians and British were scrapping in the Med long before the U-boats and the Americans arrived. 830 naval air squadron, 202 squadron and 233 squadron operated various flying boats, Hudsons and Fairey Swordfish from Gibraltar and Malta from very early in the war. Swordfish from carriers were operated with bombs from land bases (in Egypt, Libya, Palestine etc) when the carriers were not operating, and there was the Desert Air Force with P40's, Hurricanes, Wellingtons and Blenheims that might have a go at a submarine. According to https://www.uboat.net/maps/mediterranean.htm they contributed to the following in the Med in 1942. Remember the Uboats only started to arrive in September 1941! U577 15 January 1942 U573 1 May 1942 U568 28 May 1942 (spotted by a Blenheim, sunk by ships) U652 2 june 1942 (damaged by a swordfish, then scuttled) U372 4 August 1942 (shared Wellington and ships) U559 30 October 1942 (spotted by a Wellesley, sunk by ships) U605 14 November 1942 U595 14 November 1942 U331 17 November 1942 U259 15 November 1942 You can guess the air threat from the sinking locations on the map. Sorry to load you up with even more work!

05-07-24, 09:10 PM	#7
HW3 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gresham Oregon Posts: 6,446 Downloads: 453 Uploads: 0	__________________ "Some ships are designed to sink...others require our assistance." Nathan Zelk

05-08-24, 01:49 AM	#8
Hooston Sparky Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 154 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Tricky balance I get your point. A realistic Med campaign would be very boring from a u-boat view. Until the Torch landings there was very little traffic to shoot at. Lots of small sailing vessels near Egypt and Palestine, ASW groups near Gibraltar and very rare fleet operations and heavily escorted convoys. Not many allied lone merchants! https://uboat.net/ops/med-ove.htm Malta is a strange one as the air cover varied greatly depending on how hard the Germans (and Italians) were trying to bomb the place. However there was always some allied presence. Operating a uboat thereabouts would be very difficult because of the huge amounts of mines spread by both sides. Mines do not really provide satisfying game play. There really should be some areas where operating on the surface in good weather is extremely dangerous. Gibraltar should be one of these. The air cover needs to be high enough to force the player to only surface for the minimum time necessary. As I understand the game this would have to be tweaked with scripted patrols. Apart from the work involved the trouble with these is I don't think they account for weather conditions. The other big problem for a Med campaign is the lousy SH3 weather - it does NOT feel right!