US Politics Thread 2021-24 - Page 418

Rockstar · 08-18-23, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Trump scraps plans to release 'irrefutable report' claiming election fraud in Georgia

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...ion-rcna100515

I bet that was in the best Merkelian sense "unavoidable"!

Sounds funny. But read Trump’s post.

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Rather than releasing the Report on the Rigged & Stolen Georgia 2020 Presidential Election on Monday, my lawyers would prefer putting this, I believe, Irrefutable & Overwhelming evidence of Election Fraud & Irregularities in formal Legal Filings as we fight to dismiss this disgraceful Indictment by a publicity & campaign finance seeking D.A., who sadly presides over a record breaking Murder & Violent Crime area, Atlanta. Therefore, the News Conference is no longer necessary

Regardless of wether he has any evidence or not. What do you think people will now believe if or when the court throws the accusations in the indictment out or there is a verdict of not guilty.

They will mostly believe it was because of the “irrefutable proof” of election fraud.

Have some bananas.

Skybird · 08-18-23, 04:31 PM

He will elaborate it into a Kafkaesque odyssey. In the end somebody will break open his high security safe as big as a full mansion plus garden and parking lots and with locks the size of trailer trucks, and he will find it so empty that even the echo goes lost in there.

mapuc · 08-18-23, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

They will mostly believe it was because of the “irrefutable proof” of election fraud.

As I have said before-Voters on both side, tried to cheat at the 2019 election-Not all of them of course.

In all the election was fair and square.

This is what I got from reading some of the reports than was made after the election.
And I who is an ausländer does not care about who's your President I only care that the election was fair and square.

Markus

em2nought · 08-18-23, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

As I have said before-Voters on both side, tried to cheat at the 2019 election-Not all of them of course.

In all the election was fair and square.

This is what I got from reading some of the reports than was made after the election.
And I who is an ausländer does not care about who's your President I only care that the election was fair and square.

Markus

How could it be fair? The so called press, elites, & powers that be started attacking President Trump before he even won, and they didn't let up to this very day. It mattered not to them if they were telling lies or truth as no one was going to call them on it. Rhinos surely weren't happy he was elected as guess what they're part of the swamp. How could that possibly make for a fair playing field. I imagine Hitler and Tojo got less bad press during WW2 from all the allies combined than President Trump received during the last seven years from the USA and our so called allies. Before he came out as a Republican they all loved him. If I had to bet I'd guess that Covid-19 "happened" to stop President Trump, and when it didn't look like even that was going to work election rules got "changed" just before the big show.

So fair? I don't think so.

Buddahaid · 08-19-23, 11:39 AM

You’ve got it upside down. The RINO’s in the room are the MAGA republicans. Just embrace it.

Meanwhile Ron Hedlund, a Virginia GOP Central Committee Representative, demonstrates the moral high ground by displaying a giant penus sign with Biden’s head on it at a youth baseball game.

mapuc · 08-19-23, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by em2nought

How could it be fair? The so called press, elites, & powers that be started attacking President Trump before he even won, and they didn't let up to this very day. It mattered not to them if they were telling lies or truth as no one was going to call them on it. Rhinos surely weren't happy he was elected as guess what they're part of the swamp. How could that possibly make for a fair playing field. I imagine Hitler and Tojo got less bad press during WW2 from all the allies combined than President Trump received during the last seven years from the USA and our so called allies. Before he came out as a Republican they all loved him. If I had to bet I'd guess that Covid-19 "happened" to stop President Trump, and when it didn't look like even that was going to work election rules got "changed" just before the big show.

So fair? I don't think so.

I'm not taking about the press and people on social media
I'm talking about the ordinary voting at the voting stations.
Where voters can use their votes and say who they prefer being the next President. That process was fair-From my point of view

Change of election rules-This was new to me.

Markus

Jeff-Groves · 08-19-23, 02:39 PM

We are stuck with this thing called 'The Electoral College'.
It's BS in my opinion.

Catfish · 08-19-23, 03:57 PM

^ I was surprised when i heard about that forst, made me think of the medieval european "electoral" process with only those nobles (Churfuersten) being allowed to choose the new king

Skybird · 08-19-23, 04:32 PM

The modern states are a continuation of the old ancient medival feudal regimes under a new lable.

States today are a clique of looters and parasites called the civil service and the public sector, contributing nothing of value, but parasitically feeding off the actual working population by sucking from it, in ever deeper draughts.

The only task that gives a state some justification is to defend its borders against external invaders, and this is categorically denied, both in terms of military invaders and illegal migration flows, at least in the case of Germany. With this refusal to work, this state no longer has a right to exist, in my eyes, and it has forfeited any claim to respect and loyalty.

To hell with statism. It is the most powerful and vicious form of organized crime, and cleverly hides behind a sweetheart mask. To hell with state entities - ALL of them. Every form of state leads sooner or later to dictatorship - EVERY ONE. Every state is every free man's deadliest enemy. The state is the violator of contracts, but you cannot sue it. The state is the violator of its own laws, but you cannot hold it accountable. The state is the breaker of rules it imposes on everbyody, but you cannot bring it to justice. The state is the maker of rules that maximse its profits and minimize defences against abusive behaviour by the state. The state is the designer of laws that are designed to make it untouchable in its criminal nature.

That's why I wouldn't even lift my little finger from the tabletop and lower it again to defend Germany. There are things worth fighting for, qualities, ideals, rights. The superwoke socialist unworldly know-it-all Germany of today is not one of them, and deserves only contempt. I am choosy when it comes to using my life. That is wise. We all have only one life, so we should be choosy in whose service we risk it and for what. States are not one of them.

ET2SN · 08-19-23, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

The modern states are a continuation of the old ancient medival feudal regimes under a new lable.

States today are a clique of looters and parasites called the civil service and the public sector, contributing nothing of value, but parasitically feeding off the actual working population by sucking from it, in ever deeper draughts.

Just an FYI, in the states the civil service are folks like police, fire dept. and the US Mail. Elitist, yes, but they also deliver mail, write speeding tickets, and put out fires.

The public sector is, well, the rest of us.

Skybird · 08-19-23, 06:23 PM

None of that needs a super master state to be formed and run. A company that can be sued if it fails what it got paid for, would be better.

The treaty between the citizen and the state gets betrayed by the state all time, in the money inflation, declaration of wars against other states, ruinous taxes, debts rises that again damage the private citizen and so forth. And it cannot be sued, but can make you pay for it, even if it betrays you.

Such contracts I do not see as legit. You must have the option to sue the other side if it fails its contract duties. The states we live in betray us all time long, in economics and politics and corruption and cultural destruction.

Nurses, policemen and firmen all can be employeed by companies, they must not be on the wage list of states. Same for teachers, btw.

Populations only must make one thing sure: that there is competition, and no monopolists. Then all these services have an own interest in doing a good job: because if they prevent damage, they must not invest even higher costs in damage consequences, also cannot be sued.

States can dance on our noses and suck our blood, and there is nothing we can do about - only tearing them down.

No, the times I am neutral or friendly on states, are over. I dispise them. Them all. They deserve neither trust, nor obedience, nor my money.

August · 08-19-23, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

^ I was surprised when i heard about that forst, made me think of the medieval european "electoral" process with only those nobles (Churfuersten) being allowed to choose the new king

No nobles, that's a European thing. We are the United STATES of America and the President is elected by those states as it should be.

Buddahaid · 08-20-23, 01:32 AM

With one set of electors representing the vote of the majority in each State. Not what MAGA attempted to corrupt as sore losers.

Jimbuna · 08-20-23, 05:32 AM

Oh for the love of GOD!

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'Useful American idiot' Trump facing furious backlash for boasting about Putin closeness

Donald Trump saying he was the "apple" of Vladimir Putin's eye is sparking some harsh criticism.

Trump, who has long been open about having a good relationship with the Russian president, reportedly said in a Fox interview that Putin never would have invaded Ukraine if he had been president. "I was the apple of his eye," the former president said in the interview.

The response was swift.

David Frum, a former speechwriter for President George W. Bush, said helping Trump to become the president was Putin's "supreme accomplishment as dictator."

"A perverse truth here. Helping Trump into the US presidency was Putin's supreme accomplishment as dictator. A Trump 2nd term would have wrecked NATO from within," Frum wrote Saturday. "With no one to help it, Ukraine would have been easy pickings for Putin."

Conservative attorney and Trump-critic George Conway also chimed in, calling Trump a "Kremlin asset."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...3352fc48e&ei=7

mapuc · 08-20-23, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by August

No nobles, that's a European thing. We are the United STATES of America and the President is elected by those states as it should be.

This is what I also understand by the way your country is put together.

Or you would have what 52 President if each state had to vote for the President of USA. With no Electoral

Markus

08-18-23, 04:31 PM	#6257
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,538 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	He will elaborate it into a Kafkaesque odyssey. In the end somebody will break open his high security safe as big as a full mansion plus garden and parking lots and with locks the size of trailer trucks, and he will find it so empty that even the echo goes lost in there. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-19-23, 11:39 AM	#6260
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,561 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	You’ve got it upside down. The RINO’s in the room are the MAGA republicans. Just embrace it. Meanwhile Ron Hedlund, a Virginia GOP Central Committee Representative, demonstrates the moral high ground by displaying a giant penus sign with Biden’s head on it at a youth baseball game. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

08-19-23, 02:39 PM	#6262
Jeff-Groves Village Idiot Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,321 Downloads: 130 Uploads: 0	We are stuck with this thing called 'The Electoral College'. It's BS in my opinion. __________________ I don't do Stupid. So don't ask.

08-19-23, 03:57 PM	#6263
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ I was surprised when i heard about that forst, made me think of the medieval european "electoral" process with only those nobles (Churfuersten) being allowed to choose the new king __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

08-19-23, 04:32 PM	#6264
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,538 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	The modern states are a continuation of the old ancient medival feudal regimes under a new lable. States today are a clique of looters and parasites called the civil service and the public sector, contributing nothing of value, but parasitically feeding off the actual working population by sucking from it, in ever deeper draughts. The only task that gives a state some justification is to defend its borders against external invaders, and this is categorically denied, both in terms of military invaders and illegal migration flows, at least in the case of Germany. With this refusal to work, this state no longer has a right to exist, in my eyes, and it has forfeited any claim to respect and loyalty. To hell with statism. It is the most powerful and vicious form of organized crime, and cleverly hides behind a sweetheart mask. To hell with state entities - ALL of them. Every form of state leads sooner or later to dictatorship - EVERY ONE. Every state is every free man's deadliest enemy. The state is the violator of contracts, but you cannot sue it. The state is the violator of its own laws, but you cannot hold it accountable. The state is the breaker of rules it imposes on everbyody, but you cannot bring it to justice. The state is the maker of rules that maximse its profits and minimize defences against abusive behaviour by the state. The state is the designer of laws that are designed to make it untouchable in its criminal nature. That's why I wouldn't even lift my little finger from the tabletop and lower it again to defend Germany. There are things worth fighting for, qualities, ideals, rights. The superwoke socialist unworldly know-it-all Germany of today is not one of them, and deserves only contempt. I am choosy when it comes to using my life. That is wise. We all have only one life, so we should be choosy in whose service we risk it and for what. States are not one of them. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 08-19-23 at 04:42 PM.

08-19-23, 06:23 PM	#6266
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,538 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	None of that needs a super master state to be formed and run. A company that can be sued if it fails what it got paid for, would be better. The treaty between the citizen and the state gets betrayed by the state all time, in the money inflation, declaration of wars against other states, ruinous taxes, debts rises that again damage the private citizen and so forth. And it cannot be sued, but can make you pay for it, even if it betrays you. Such contracts I do not see as legit. You must have the option to sue the other side if it fails its contract duties. The states we live in betray us all time long, in economics and politics and corruption and cultural destruction. Nurses, policemen and firmen all can be employeed by companies, they must not be on the wage list of states. Same for teachers, btw. Populations only must make one thing sure: that there is competition, and no monopolists. Then all these services have an own interest in doing a good job: because if they prevent damage, they must not invest even higher costs in damage consequences, also cannot be sued. States can dance on our noses and suck our blood, and there is nothing we can do about - only tearing them down. No, the times I am neutral or friendly on states, are over. I dispise them. Them all. They deserve neither trust, nor obedience, nor my money. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-20-23, 01:32 AM	#6268
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,561 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	With one set of electors representing the vote of the majority in each State. Not what MAGA attempted to corrupt as sore losers. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie