Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Ostfriese]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

The bridge has collapsed.



The road section of the only crossing from occupied Crimea collapses after an explosion.

It's actually just one half of the road, the second half is still standing (you can even see that in the picture).

However, it's unclear how stable the second half is, and it wouldn't be surprising if it sufferd enough structural damage to be unusuable for traffic. Same goes for the adjacent segments.

[Jimbuna]

Eighth package of EU sanctions does not prevent Russia from making money from export of metal products, - Mass media

As part of the fourth package of sanctions, the European Union has banned the import of steel products from Russia - rolled products and pipes - from April 1, 2022. The eighth package of sanctions allegedly expands previously introduced restrictions. However, after the analysis, it becomes clear that the introduced sanctions will have no effect on the export of Russian metal products to the EU.

This is reported by HMC Center, Censor.NET informs.

"Taking into account the eighth package of sanctions and previously introduced restrictions, ferrous metals and products made from them have been banned, while the restrictions do not apply to cast iron and ferroalloys. In addition, new restrictions on the import of steel come into force on September 30, 2023, and on certain steel semi-finished products - on April 1, and even on October 1, 2024," the publication writes.

The MMC Center explains: there are rolling mills in the EU (especially of Russian companies) that work on imported semi-finished products. That's why the European rolling mills spoke first of all against the ban on the import of slabs from Russia - and, judging by everything, they were heard.

"Although the sanctions directly prohibit the import of steel products produced in third countries from Russian steel, the control mechanism is unclear and its potential effectiveness is questionable. In addition, Russia will be able to increase the export of pig iron, which is not subject to sanctions. That is, Russian cast iron will be able to be exported both to EU countries and to Turkey, China, and other countries that will be able to supply products made from Russian cast iron to the EU. Moreover, the growth of exports of Russian iron is possible under any scenario," the publication summarizes.

As you know, the European Commission initiated the expansion of sanctions against the import of Russian metallurgy. However, a group of European rolling mills, which called itself the EU Reroller Forum, disagreed with the decision.

As it turned out later, the EU Reroller Forum includes enterprises that are directly or indirectly related to Russia - for example, the Marcegaglia company has a metallurgical plant in the city of Vladimir, and NBH is generally a joint venture of the Russian NLMK and the Agency for Financial Management investments of the Belgian region of Wallonia. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3372308

[Jimbuna]

Moment of explosion on Crimean bridge. VIDEO Source: https://censor.net/en/v3372295

[mapuc]

I can't be the only one speculating in what kind of response Putin will come up with.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

Total combat losses of Russia since beginning of war - about 62,060 people, 266 planes, 234 helicopters, 2,472 tanks, 1,459 artillery systems, 5,111 armored vehicles. INFOGRAPHICS

The Russian invaders, who invaded the territory of Ukraine, continue to suffer losses. As of the morning of October 8, the loss of enemy personnel are approximately 62,060.

This was reported in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Censor.NET informs.

The total combat losses of the enemy from 24/02 to 08/10 are approximately:

personnel - about 62,060 (+380) people were eliminated,
tanks - 2472 (+6) units,
armored combat vehicles - 5111 (+18) units,
artillery systems - 1459 (+4) units,
MLRS - 345 (+1) units,
air defense equipment - 180 (+3) units,
aircraft - 266 (+0) units,
helicopters - 234 (+1) units,
UAVs of operational-tactical level - 1079 (+12),
cruise missiles - 246 (+0),
ships/boats -15 (+0) units,
automotive equipment and tank trucks - 3875 (+13) units,
special equipment - 136 (+1).
"The enemy suffered the greatest losses in the Donetsk, Bakhmut, and Kramatorsk directions," the General Staff said. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3372300

[mapuc]

Danish Ekstra Bladet writes:

Explosives expert guesses missile caused Crimean bridge explosion
Hundreds of kilos of explosives and either a ship, truck or missile used for blast, chemist says

Flames are rising from the Crimean bridge, which is strategically important for the Russians, and parts of the bridge have collapsed into the sea.

It would have taken a very violent explosion to cause the destruction, and it could have been done in one of three ways, says Peter Hald, head of security at Aarhus University. He is a trained chemist and engineering officer.

- It's a huge explosion. It's a fireball wider than a four-lane motorway, so it's many hundreds of kilos of explosives that have been used, he says.

- It could have been delivered by a boat, by a truck or by a larger missile. That's one of the three ways it's realistic to have brought that much explosive forward, he says.

After reviewing images of the explosion on the bridge, Peter Hald's best guess is that a missile was used to detonate it.

There is not a line in the air in any of the pictures he has seen to indicate that it was a missile. But there are 'an incredible number of white sparks' in the air after the bombing, which the chemist says could be fuel residue.

In videos where the speed is drastically reduced, Peter Hald says it can look as if there is a light coming from the water side towards the bridge and then an explosion. But it's very uncertain.

Russia's anti-terror authorities, on the other hand, have said it happened when a car bomb exploded, igniting up to seven tankers taking trains to Crimea.

And that is plausible, judging by the size of the explosion, the engineer officer says.

- Where it's less plausible is that the Russians know it's an important bridge, and they've presumably taken good care of it.

- So either it is the most comfortable explanation, or the - for the Russians - unpleasant explanation is that their security of the bridge has failed completely, says Peter Hald.

He estimates that it is not at all easy to blow up a bridge like this. It is very large and probably solidly built.

- Therefore, it would take many hundreds of kilograms or even tons to damage it, says Peter Hald.

It is not unusual for ballistic missiles to have warheads with hundreds of kilograms of explosives. And according to Peter Hald, there are also missiles with several tonnes of explosives.

Crimea is a Ukrainian peninsula that has been annexed by Russia since 2014.

The peninsula and its 19-kilometre bridge are important to Russia in getting supplies such as ammunition and fuel to its warring forces in southern Ukraine.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Tell that 'reliable source' that four posts up proves it was a truck.

[Jimbuna]

Russian occupiers will limit sale of cereals, flour and sugar in Crimea

The occupying authorities of Crimea limited the sale of grocery products to 3 kilograms in one hand.

As Censor.NET informs, Russian mass media reported this on Telegram.

As noted, on the Crimean peninsula, the sale of grocery products is limited - a maximum of 3 kilograms in one hand.

According to Iryna Mezavtsova, Deputy Minister of Industrial Policy of Crimea, this was done to avoid artificial excitement.

The ministry clarified that food stocks in Crimea will last for 55 days. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3372312

[Jimbuna]

John Simpson: Zelensky strikes all the right notes

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63171679

A good read imho.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Tell that 'reliable source' that four posts up proves it was a truck.

The bridge has been partial demolished, this is a fact -With what ? Truck, ship or missiles. Only the Ukrainian knows. Maybe we will know later what it was.

For me the question is now-how will Putin react on this.

Markus

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Reece

Agree, they should go to a POW type camp till the war is over then returned.

They will probably go into ICE custody (ie: jail or other detention facility), and they should remain there until they are either repatriated back to Russia or another country agrees to take them in.

[Skybird]

This is a photo of that bridge.



You can see that there are two bridges, on eh right for the railtrack, on the left for car traffic. The car bridge has two lanes, one for each direction. The photo of the collapse dbridge however shows only one car lane having dropped into the water, the other seems to be intact, at least on that photo.


There could however invisible damage to the structure of the remaining lane, of course, we do not know. Also, we do not know whether trains still could roll on the rail bridge.


If possible, a follow on strike might be the way to go. Preferrably on the same location where the structure already must be weakened. Easier said than done, probaaly, else they would not have struck via sabotage-truck bomb, but missile or air strike earlier in the war.

[August]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Tell that 'reliable source' that four posts up proves it was a truck.

Didn't look to me like it originated from a truck but there was certainly one close to the point of impact.

[Skybird]

This video shows dashcam footage of a car approaching the incident site on the "undamaged" car traffic lane, and one cna see that on this lane there is also massive damage, the surface is clearly bent down and in no way looks as if it allows any wheeled transportation, so currently indeed both car trafffic lanes seem to be unpassable.



At 00:01:33ff there is a hissing sound before the explosion. Missile incoming? Sound travels slower than light, it cannot be the airblast and shockwave preceeding the sights of the explosion. So the 1 million coins question is: what is that hissing sound?

And the video in this,. share don many channels, shows apparent extensive damage to the railtrack as well, the reporter says (in German) the rail bridge has suffered severe damage, too.

https://www.welt.de/videos/video2414...m-Bruecke.html

We can expect massive retaliation against civilian targets and critical infrastructure in the Ukraine now. The barbars will run amok.