Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[mapuc]

When watching Putins speech on this terror attack and where he mentioned Ukraine. False flag came into my mind again. So far I was thinking Islamic terrorist.

False flag for what reason(s)

They have already bombed Ukraine partly back to stone age

Only cause I can come up with is that Putin need a scapegoat to get his citizens accept of a general mobilization-E.g. Ukraine has declared war by this terror attack(the false flag operation)

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Originally Posted by mapuc

When watching Putins speech on this terror attack and where he mentioned Ukraine. False flag came into my mind again. So far I was thinking Islamic terrorist.

False flag for what reason(s)

They have already bombed Ukraine partly back to stone age

Only cause I can come up with is that Putin need a scapegoat to get his citizens accept of a general mobilization-E.g. Ukraine has declared war by this terror attack(the false flag operation)

Markus

Ukraine does attack inside Russia but never a public place those kinda attacks would backfire, what they attack are industry and energy facilities. Russia has in the south a large Islamic population, they could always deal with this via repression by proxy. And why as Islamic group would you attack after the "election" it has more effect if they had done it before. I really do not care, Russia has committed deadlier terrorist attacks, for example shooting down MH17, killing 298 people, the Bucha massacre and the ongoing missile attack on Ukraine cities. False flag or not the Russian regime do what they're done under the soviet regime there is no real difference, only Russia now is a capitalistic state.

[Jimbuna]

At least 133 people were killed and more than 140 injured when gunmen attacked a packed concert venue on the outskirts of Moscow, Russia says.

A large fire engulfed the roof of the complex and dramatic video shows panicked concertgoers taking cover as shots and explosions ring out.

Russian President Vladimir Putin says all four gunmen have been arrested, and that the suspects were trying to flee to Ukraine - Kyiv says allegations of Ukrainian involvement are "absurd"

Putin calls the attack a "barbaric terrorist act" and announces a day of national mourning for 24 March.

Muscovites are queuing to give blood for those injured and flower tributes have been placed at the scene of the attack.

The US says it's credible that the Islamic State group could be behind the attack, after the group said it did it. Russia has not commented.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

When watching Putins speech on this terror attack and where he mentioned Ukraine. False flag came into my mind again. So far I was thinking Islamic terrorist.

Dont make it complicated. Putin lies because the lie he can benefit from. That simple.

[mapuc]

Markus

[Rockstar]

It’s all becoming clear now.

[ET2SN]

The usual caveats with Peter:

-He likes to hear himself talk.
-He likes to hear himself talk to people who aren't sure if they should tie their shoe laces or not- as long as they pay to hear him talk.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

It’s all becoming clear now.

I'm pretty sure "they" don't feel they can let our coming vote in November progress in a natural manner.

[Jimbuna]

Moscow attack: Did Russia ignore US 'extremist' attacks warning?

There are always questions after any attack as to why it was not stopped or detected. But the Moscow attack raises particularly difficult issues for Vladimir Putin at a time of international tension and mistrust. And much of that comes because of a warning from Washington.

The 7 March warning from the US to its own citizens was unusually specific. It talked of reports that "extremists" had "imminent plans to target large gatherings in Moscow" and specifically mentioned concerts. It advised Americans in the city to avoid large gatherings over the coming 48 hours.

The timing may not quite match, but other details do tally closely with events on 22 March. It seems clear Washington had some kind of intelligence and that it related to Islamic State (IS) - the group that has issued a statement saying it was behind the Moscow attack.

As well as the public warning to its own citizens, the US also said it had communicated with the Russian government directly.

"The US government also shared this information with Russian authorities in accordance with its long-standing 'duty to warn' policy," a US official said in a statement after the attack.

There are channels through which intelligence is shared between countries - even those that are not allies - especially when it relates to possible attacks on civilians.

But the problem is that Moscow dismissed the warnings.

Three days before the attack, Russian President Vladimir Putin addressed the board of Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB), whose job is to defend the country. The top priority, he told the assembled leaders of the security service, was to support what he called the special military operation - the official phrase for the full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

He claimed that Ukraine had switched to what he called "terrorist tactics". He also spoke directly to what he said were "provocative statements" from the West about potential attacks within Russia. He said the warnings "resemble outright blackmail and the intention to intimidate and destabilise our society".

That suggests that the mistrust between the US and Russia meant Moscow may not have wanted to listen and instead saw the warnings as part of an attempt to threaten Russia, linked to the Ukraine conflict.

We do not yet know the exact nature of the information the US possessed or passed or how clear it was. Intelligence can often be vague and hard to act on.

But the US has a vast intelligence-gathering machine and watches IS closely. The branch suspected of the Moscow attack was also linked to one on US forces and civilians at Kabul airport in August 2021, as well as more recent deadly bombings in Iraq.

But if the intelligence that was shared with Russia was credible and specific about IS, then the FSB and Mr Putin might appear to be on the back foot about why they did not take it more seriously.

And if so, it may be easier for Moscow to relate the attack in some way to Ukraine in order to deflect blame and also build support for Russia's actions there, rather than acknowledge what they might have missed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68646375

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The claim of ISIS-K or IS-KP (Islamic State - Khorasan Province) does not fit Putin's bill. To admit that 350,000 people working in the FSB alone that could not prevent this terror attack that ISIS-K is behind it is already very painful for that reason. Then he has to admit that someone somewhere has failed incredibly that the anti-terrorism measures of his government are not working, that his intelligence services have failed, and ultimately he is responsible for that.

ISW assesses that the Islamic State (IS) is very likely responsible for the Crocus City Hall attack. IS Amaq’s News Agency took responsibility for the attack on the night of March 22, claiming that IS fighters attacked a “large gathering of Christians” on the outskirts of Moscow, “killing and wounding hundreds and causing great destruction...before they [the attackers] withdrew to their bases safely.”[8] The Amaq News Agency later posted a blurred-out image of the four fighters who it claimed conducted its “fiercest attack in years” standing in front of an IS flag.[9] The Amaq News Agency announcement is consistent in terms of style, branding, and language with previous Amaq claims for other attacks. IS media organs make deceptive or false claims only ”infrequently” and carefully and try to maintain “high credibility” in their communique in order to define clear ideological objectives and maintain fundraising streams.[10] IS propaganda enables the group to fundraise and disseminate its guidance to lower-level commanders and supporters--IS risks discrediting itself within the competitive Salafi-jihadi community by falsely taking credit for very high-profile attacks. The conduct of the attack itself is also consistent with previous IS attacks, including the 2015 Paris terror attacks.[11] The IS fighters in the Crocus City Hall and some of those involved in the 2015 Paris attacks exfiltrated the target and subsequently evaded security forces for a time.[12]

The Islamic State’s Afghan branch IS-Khorasan (IS-K) may have conducted the Crocus City Hall attack. This branch has conducted at least four high-profile attacks outside of central Asia in the last 18 months.[13] US Central Command Commanding General Michael Kurilla notably stated in March 2023 that IS-K would be able to conduct “external operations against US or Western interests abroad in under six months,” meaning that Western intelligence had already assessed that IS and IS-K would be able to field the capabilities for such external attacks by September 2023.[14] US intelligence most recently confirmed that IS-K was responsible for a bombing attack in Kerman, Iran as recently as January 2024, further highlighting IS external attack capabilities.[15] Allegations that the Crocus City Hall attack was a false flag operation are inconsistent with the evidence ISW has observed from the attack itself correlated with other reports of previous IS external attacks that ISW and CTP have covered since the emergence of the Islamic State, as well as the IS claim pattern following the attack.[16] It is also highly unlikely that IS would have conducted the attack on the orders of Ukrainian special services, which several Russian sources have alleged. Amaq News Agency is IS’s central media arm. IS would not falsely claim an attack that may have been conducted by one Christian state against another (or by the Kremlin against Russia’s own people in some sort of false-flag operation), because the implications of IS conducting an attack at the behest of a predominantly Christian country would damage IS credentials within the Salafi-Jihadi community... https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...-march-23-2024

[Skybird]

I am quite certain they did not ignore the American warnings completely, but they may not have given them the investigative care they deserved. However, of course they wll never admit they listened to American warnings, sicne that, in their perception, would confess an own weakness to their people and the world. Also, an ameriocna wanring that turned out to be true would oppose the official narration of that all the West hates Russia and is its demonic enemy. Mind you, Putin implies Russia is at war with NATO, and was attacked by NATO.



Also, the way Putin twists the narration now suits his Ukraine war agenda nice and well. Its all Ukraine's fault. It must get punished.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I am quite certain they did not ignore the American warnings completely, but they may not have given them the investigative care they deserved. However, of course they wll never admit they listened to American warnings, sicne that, in their perception, would confess an own weakness to their people and the world. Also, an ameriocna wanring that turned out to be true would oppose the official narration of that all the West hates Russia and is its demonic enemy. Mind you, Putin implies Russia is at war with NATO, and was attacked by NATO.



Also, the way Putin twists the narration now suits his Ukraine war agenda nice and well. Its all Ukraine's fault. It must get punished.

They let it happen office of security is nearby it took them an hour to arrive, what a 15-minute walk is. The praise of the leader has reached new heights in the pro-Kremlin information space, coming close to a cult of personality. The legitimacy of the "elections" that demonstrated an unprecedented consolidation of society, Putin received a gigantic mandate of trust that gives him the right to absolutely any political actions, any political initiatives and any political manoeuvres both within the country and abroad. If you are an unemployed man of military age in an ethnically non-Russian province where mobilisation is active, now is the moment to recite the salute of Roman gladiators: Ave Putin, morituri te salutant, or, ‘Hail Putin, we who are about to die salute you.’ Every Russian knows Putin is lying, but no one really cares. This supposed ukraine done it is to bolster Putin's hold on power, rally support for his war and further mobilisation (what never stopped either).

[Jimbuna]

Hungary's Foreign Minister Declares 'Military Psychosis' Among EU Leaders

Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto has made strong statements about EU leaders, saying that due to military psychosis, they are turning the Ukraine conflict into a personal matter.

He made these remarks during a broadcast on Kossuth radio station.

Szijjarto commented on discussions surrounding statements by French President Emmanuel Macron about the potential deployment of troops to Ukraine. According to him, European politicians are beginning to lose their common sense, with their rhetoric influenced by a military psychosis.

"They speak the language of war and think as if they are in the war themselves," said the Hungarian Foreign Minister.

He noted that politicians are beginning to transform the conflict between Russia and Ukraine into a personal matter and are losing common sense. The diplomat emphasized that the result could be a decision to send European contingents to Ukraine.

Earlier, Lithuanian President Gitanas Nauseda expressed support for the idea of sending troops to Ukraine from NATO's eastern countries.

Poland and Finland have also indicated that the deployment of NATO troops to Ukraine in the future cannot be ruled out, but neither has stated that it is necessary at this time.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...5aef3353&ei=31

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