Here we go again-Ukraine once again

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Originally Posted by Skybird

They could try to sell it to Ukraine as "second hand, used", this time making a little money with it. So far they have given away much of it for free.

Could it be the Russian version of Lend&Lease where they have removed Lease ?
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Zelensky and Trudeau discussed expansion of defense support to Ukraine

The President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, had a telephone conversation with the Prime Minister of Canada, Justin Trudeau

As Censor.NET informs about this with a link to the president's Facebook page.

"They discussed with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau defense support to Ukraine, the possibilities of its expansion, and the importance of continuing the grain agreement," the message reads.

Zelensky added that he is counting on Canada's voice at the G20 and the UN in support of Ukrainian initiatives. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3379714

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Defense ministers of Great Britain, Netherlands and Latvia opposed any pressure on Ukraine regarding negotiations with Russian Federation

Several European defense ministers have said that Ukraine should not feel any pressure to enter into peace talks with Russia.

They announced this at a meeting of the Joint Expeditionary Forum of 10 countries in Edinburgh on Thursday, Censor.NET reports with reference to "European Truth".

Ben Wallace, Britain's defense secretary, said it was up to Ukraine to decide whether it wanted to hold any peace talks, and that Western powers should help Ukraine "fight for its right to choose" without "a gun to its head from the Kremlin."

"We want Ukraine to be able to discuss whether to solve this issue from a position of strength, and not from a position of weakness. And this is the current direction of movement," added Wallace.

Kaisa Ollongren, the defense minister of the Netherlands, echoed Wallace's words, noting that "it is important that at this moment Ukraine knows that it can count on us" and that Ukraine is winning with the help of training provided by Western countries.

She emphasized that for Ukraine the war is existential, therefore it is necessary to continue the struggle against the Russian invasion. "If Russia stops fighting, the war will end, but if Ukraine stops fighting, there will be no more Ukraine," she said.

Artis Pabriks, Latvia's deputy prime minister and defense minister, called for skepticism about any Russian proposals for peace talks at this stage of the conflict. The proposition cannot be genuine if "at the same time they are bombing the civilian population" and that Russia is "responsible" for the war as a whole. In his opinion, Kyiv is not obliged to strive for the cessation of hostilities under the current circumstances. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3379712

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That some minsters now say there should not be pressure on Ukraine to negotiate means to me that behind the curtain of international diplomacy there is mounting pressure on Ukraine to negotiate.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Skybird

That some minsters now say there should not be pressure on Ukraine to negotiate means to me that behind the curtain of international diplomacy there is mounting pressure on Ukraine to negotiate.

Thinking that negotiations at this moment will do any good is naive, it will not solve Putin's fetish for lebensraum.

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$400 Million in Additional Assistance for Ukraine https://www.defense.gov/News/Release...e-for-ukraine/

Capabilities in this package include:
• Missiles for HAWK air defense systems;
• Four Avenger air defense systems, and Stinger missiles;
• Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS);
• 21,000 155mm artillery rounds;
• 500 precision-guided 155mm artillery rounds;
• 10,000 120mm mortar rounds;
• 100 High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWVs);
• 400 grenade launchers;
• Small arms, optics, and more than 20,000,000 rounds of small arms ammunition;
• Demolition equipment for obstacle clearing;
• Cold weather protective gear.

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The most senior US general estimates that around 100,000 Russian and 100,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed or injured in the war in Ukraine.

Gen Mark Milley, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, also suggested that around 40,000 civilians had died after being caught up in the conflict.

The estimates are the highest offered yet by a Western official.

He also said that signs Kyiv was willing to re-enter talks with Moscow offered "a window" for negotiations.

In recent days, Ukraine has signalled a willingness to hold some discussions with Moscow, after President Volodymyr Zelensky dropped a demand that his opposite number, Vladimir Putin, must be removed from power before negotiations could resume.

But speaking in New York, Gen Milley added that for any talks to be successful, both Russia and Ukraine would have to reach a "mutual recognition" that a wartime victory "is maybe not achievable through military means, and therefore you need to turn to other means".

The top general - who serves as President Joe Biden's most senior military adviser - said the scale of the casualties could convince both Moscow and Kyiv of the need to negotiate over the coming winter months, when fighting may slow due to freezing conditions.

"You're looking at well over 100,000 Russian soldiers killed and wounded," Gen Milley said. "Same thing probably on the Ukrainian side."

Both Ukraine and Russia jealously guard their casualty numbers.

Moscow's last update in September said that just 5,937 troops had been killed since the start of the conflict, with Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu dismissing reports of a significantly higher death toll.

Gen Milley's estimate is starkly higher. By comparison, 15,000 Soviet soldiers were estimated to have died in the 1979-89 Afghanistan conflict.

How many people have died in Ukraine?

Ukraine has largely refrained from giving casualty figures. But in August, the armed forces' commander-in-chief, Valeriy Zaluzhniy, was quoted in Ukrainian media saying 9,000 Ukrainian soldiers had died so far.

The UN has said it does not consider figures released by those involved in the conflict to be reliable.

"There has been a tremendous amount of suffering, human suffering," said Gen Milley. He also also noted that between 15 and 30 million refugees have been created since Russia launched its invasion on 24 February.

The UN has recorded 7.8 million people as refugees from Ukraine across Europe, including Russia. However, the figure does not include those who have been forced to flee their homes but remain in Ukraine.

On Wednesday, Moscow announced its troops would start to withdraw from the key southern city of Kherson - the only major city to fall to Russian forces.

Gen Milley said that while "initial indicators" suggested that a retreat had begun, he observed that Russia had amassed around 20-30,000 troops in the city, and the withdrawal could take several weeks.

"They made the public announcement they're doing it. I believe they're doing it in order to preserve their force to re-establish defensive lines south of the [Dnieper] river, but that remains to be seen," he said.

The news of Russia's withdrawal from Kherson comes after Russian President Vladimir Putin called up some 300,000 reservists to fight in Ukraine in September.

Military experts in the West and Ukraine say the need for mobilisation showed that Russian troops were failing badly on the battlefield in Ukraine.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63580372

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^ Made we wonder how many soldiers died per month during WWII

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

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Tomaryne is very close to the Nova Kakhovka dam and one of two possible escape routes for the Russians.



Crazy..

Still 18,000 - 22,000 Russians in Kherson trying to retreat. Most were not given the order until the past few hours.

This will likely be a bloodbath. https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status...25902753341442

There goes the lie for the retreat to save the troops.



Russian TG channels are saying that Ukrainians are entering Kherson, facing no organized Russian resistance lots of blame going around too, as seen in other posts. The primary target of the blame is the Kremlin and Russia’s Presidential Administration.

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Whats about that dam in the east? I havent heared anything on it since days.

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South Korea will for the first time sell artillery shells destined for Ukrainian forces through a confidential arms deal between Seoul and Washington, a move that reflects a global scramble for munitions after months of war with Russia.

U.S. officials familiar with the deal said that the U.S. will purchase 100,000 rounds of 155 mm artillery that will be delivered to Ukraine, enough to supply Ukraine’s artillery units for at least several weeks of intensive combat.

Routing the deal through the U.S. allows South Korea to stick to the letter of its public commitment not to send lethal military support to Ukraine while assisting Washington, Seoul’s paramount ally in deterring North Korea.

The South Korean-provided arms will enable the U.S. to supply the Ukrainians without digging deeper into the American inventory of artillery stocks, which U.S. officials have acknowledged are dwindling quickly. In August, the stockpile of U.S. 155 mm artillery rounds had fallen to levels that concerned the Pentagon as Ukraine engaged in fierce artillery duels with the Russian forces, and U.S. officials say the situation is considerably worse now.

South Korea Defense Minister Lee Jong-sup met with Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin earlier this month and agreed in principle to proceed with the artillery deal. Officials at the South Korean Embassy in Washington had no immediate comment.

South Korea’s expected provision of ordnance for Ukraine comes shortly after the White House said North Korea was providing artillery shells for Russia, setting the unusual stage for armaments from the two Asian countries to be used by opposing forces in Europe. The arms deals highlight the limits of industrial bases in the U.S. and Russia, which have been stretched to the limit during the war in Ukraine.

Earlier this month, the U.S. sent a shipment of American artillery shells from its stocks in South Korea, a transfer that hasn’t been previously reported or acknowledged by the Defense Department.

“United States Forces Korea has been requested to support this effort by providing some of its equipment,” a spokesman for the U.S. command in South Korea said in a statement on the previous shipment. “This has zero impact on our operations and our ability to execute on our ironclad commitment to the defense of our ally, the Republic of Korea.”

U.S. officials say that South Korea’s provision of its own artillery for Ukraine won’t undermine military readiness, even as tensions with North Korea intensify. While North Korea has enormous stocks of artillery, military experts say that South Korea has a range of systems to respond to the threat, including its own rocket force.

“South Korea’s advancing missile force, but more generally its defense modernization and increasing defense industry capacity, may be providing it options to supply arms to Europe and other partners,” said S. Paul Choi, a defense expert at the Rand Corp., a nonpartisan think tank.

Last month, Poland signed contracts with South Korea worth $5.8 billion to buy tanks, howitzers and rocket launchers. That deal will make it easier for Warsaw to send weapons to Ukraine without putting itself at risk.

Meanwhile, Russia has turned to North Korea for artillery shells, which are being sent through indirect routes that include shipments through third countries in the Middle East and North Africa, the Biden administration said recently.

White House National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said that while the U.S. has had indications for some time that Russia had requested artillery shells from North Korea, the administration now has information that shipments have been sent.

“It’s a significant number of artillery shells,” Mr. Kirby told reporters. “We’re still monitoring this to determine if the shipments have been actually received.”

North Korea has denied that it is sending the munitions

Russian President Vladimir Putin warned last month that South Korea would destroy relations with Moscow if it sends weapons and ammunition to Ukraine.

South Korea has provided bulletproof vests, helmets and medical supplies to Ukraine but hasn’t provided lethal arms. https://www.wsj.com/articles/south-k...ne-11668116294

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Whats about that dam in the east? I havent heared anything on it since days.

That is the Nova Kakhovka dam the Ukrainian army is near to it will be taken in the coming days I think.

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The retreat going bad, very bad the units supposed to cover the retreat are rushing to the Dnieper River numerous motorboats are not enough for all Russian soldiers to get out. As the result, there's reportedly a huge crowd gathered there.

Pro-Russian Dimitriyev says that according to his sources, there's an actual panic among Russian forces in Kherson. https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...35709610713088