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Old 04-10-23, 10:50 AM   #211
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And my question is when have you ever heard of that happening? There are many examples of an armed citizen stopping a crime in progress but I have yet to hear of any instances that back up your theory.
Well then I was wrong in my made up story.

I was thinking that open carry wasn't the same as having cold blood in the vene.

I do understand that most of these people has trained in using their guns.

This mass shooting in Kentucky toke place in a state where:
Any person 21 years of age or older who can legally possess a firearm under State and Federal Law can carry a concealed handgun in the State of
Kentucky without a permit.

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This mass shooting in Kentucky toke place in a state where:
Any person 21 years of age or older who can legally possess a firearm under State and Federal Law can carry a concealed handgun in the State of
Kentucky without a permit.

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And previous killings have taken place in California which has the toughest gun control laws in the country. Not sure what point you are making here.
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Old 04-10-23, 05:10 PM   #213
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Jan 21, 2023 California Monterey Park 12 Killed 9 Injured

Chinese Lunar New Year celebration. "man opened fire with a machine gun and stopped to reload." - witness; Related to 121 S Garfield Ave, Alhambra (non shooting) incident at Lai Lai ballroom suspect shot self in standoff in Torrance - Hawthorne and Sepulveda Blvd Gun assault pistol
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https://patch.com/california/los-ang...olice-response

Jan 23, 2023 California Half Moon Bay 7 Killed 1 Injured

incident stemmed from his anger over a $100 equipment bill after wrecking a forklift
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Old 04-10-23, 05:20 PM   #214
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An interesting psychological approach.

A bad guy goes into a bar, where he look around and see at least two men with guns(open carry) he pull his gun from his belt and shot these two person first, then he looked around and see how people try to escape the crime scene. He start to fire his gun on people here and there, while they try to escape.

There are additional 3 more who carry gun openly-
Will they try to escape-Fear ?
Or
Would they take a stand and neutralize the perpetrator ?

Even though a person has the right to carry a gun openly in his or her state-Isn't the same as they wouldn't go into panic when someone starts to shoot wildly.

This is what some forget-the Psychological aspect of it.

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It is unlawful to bring a firearm into an establishment that serves alcohol, state or federal offices, court rooms and buildings. Since law abiding citizens would not have a firearm in a bar, that makes everyone in your bar scenario with a firearm bad guys and perpetrators.
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13 Mass shootings in California this year vs 1 in Kentucky, so far

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/r...sc&order=State
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13 Mass shootings in California this year vs 1 in Kentucky, so far

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/r...sc&order=State
Aren't you forgetting the school shooting? Also, California has almost nine times the population.
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Aren't you forgetting the school shooting? Also, California has almost nine times the population.



But it has far more intrusive gun control. That tells me that it doesn't work.
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But it has far more intrusive gun control. That tells me that it doesn't work.
Maybe it does and it could be worse, how do you measure that? I'm not proposing to ban guns, but better regulation of that militia can't hurt.
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I have a strong suspicion that many of these mass shooters are actually anti-gunners serving themselves up as martyrs for their cause.
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Sounds like another conspiracy theory to deflect blame.
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Sounds like another conspiracy theory to deflect blame.
No more farfetched than "Trump colluding with Russia" to get elected, right?
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Maybe it does and it could be worse, how do you measure that? I'm not proposing to ban guns, but better regulation of that militia can't hurt.
The militia are already well regulated.

Of course you have to realize that the Bill of Rights term "Well Regulated" in 18th century parlance meant "Proficient" rather than the modern twisted interpretation attempting to justify ongoing government infringements.
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I find that attitude a bit counter-intuitive, I can't speak to other State's laws, but in Utah, open carry just means that you can carry a weapon in public (visible or concealed) without needing a permit. They still have a concealed carry permit system, but that is for the benefit of Reciprocity Laws for when Utah citizens travel to other states and wish to carry a weapon. So if I'm a bad guy robbing your Ihop, and see 1 or 2 pistols on some ones hip, I have to wonder how many are carrying pistols that I can't see.

If you're thinking that deeply odds are you aren't a criminal.
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If you're thinking that deeply odds are you aren't a criminal.
How sure are you about that?
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How sure are you about that?

You are thinking too deeply of course!
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