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06-28-07, 12:05 PM | #1 |
Soundman
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SH-60 Help
Hi I am relatively new to DW and from some of the advice that I received earlier am starting to learn the SH-60. I have working on the Helo Demo scenario. I have been able to do the following
Basically I have been using two lines of Sonobuoys to form an array and then listening on those until the signature of the Victor III comes up. When it does I switch the two closest buoys to directional mode and get the two bearings to triangulate the position. I then wait about 10 minutes to get a second position. After that I fly to the first point and then fly along a path that goes through the second point with the MAD deployed until I get the MAD signature. This tells me that I am essentially over the top of the sub. On my last try I launched a fish and it went off on its own searching in vain well away from the Victor III. I had initially set a run out bearing about the bearing I was traveling with a depth of 100ft with active pinging. My questions are 1) Are these good tactics in finding and engaging a sub from a helo. If not are their better approaches 2) I have a feeling my torpedo presets are not ideal for the situation. Would it be better to have it in a circular pattern and drop it as soon as I get the MAD alarm. Or should I back up along the course and launch from further away down a heading? 3) Are the torpedo preset bearing relative to the helo or are they global 4) Any other help on presets is appreciated. Thanks, Brett |
06-28-07, 03:24 PM | #2 |
Grey Wolf
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Your basic approach isnt so bad, just some detail work needs to be done. Since I'm to lazy to do a walkthrough here again, try reading up on this link : http://www.commanders-academy.com/wi..._Demo_Tutorial
At the bottom you will find the PDF version which even includes the pictures (I have to add them to the wiki yet). Cheers OS |
06-28-07, 03:54 PM | #3 |
Soundman
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Thanks One Shot. It was a good read.
Regards, Brett |
06-28-07, 04:18 PM | #4 |
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Hi! Not being here for long time, this is one of my first post here (have done some posting in SH3 forum before). But I have moved "few" years forward, so for now, I am aboard DW, entering the digital warfare era So I am also new to this game, like you Its really interesting to compare the warfare back then and now, but I have to admit that my SH3 knowledge is by no menas useless at DW! But, as a DW newby I chose MH60 as my starting platform, like you, and have learned to handle it really well (at leats I think ), so I can answer your questions:
P.S.: I'am not native-english speaking man, so I apologize for eventuall errors P.S.2: When you master the helo, I recommend you to continue with P3 |
06-28-07, 04:21 PM | #5 |
Nub
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Damn, late again! But I forgive you OneShot, but only because of your superb P3 manual!
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06-28-07, 08:05 PM | #6 |
Soundman
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Thanks as well Hans. Your english was just fine for me.
One question though with regards to the time between marks. Wouldn't the longer period be good for determining the overall base course as opposed to the course about which the sub is zig-zagging about? Thanks, BT |
06-29-07, 02:37 AM | #7 |
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Firstly, I want to say I'am glad my post was of any use to you Next, I have to clear out some terminology I used. I know you understood my post, but here where I live we say "Order makes friends" I talked about trackers. My use of this term in official terminology = intersection of two or more LOBs, we mark this point (area) with marker. So, that's it I highly recommend to write down the time when the marker was created bellow the marker. This is crutial for getting the target speed and for getting general idea where the sub is (if first two markers with 2 mnts gap are distanced 1000yds, there is high probability that in next 2mnts sub will be somewhere in the area within 1000 yds from 2nd marker a.s.o...). To answer your question: yeah, it's possible. But it's much better to draw those 2 mnts markers, make it five times - you get 5 markers, first and last one with your desired 10 mnts gap and you can still get benefit from those three left By making only two markers (10 mnts gap) you can seriously miss (especially on zig-zaging sub), because you don't know if those positions were extremes or not. Yeah, it's all about MATH!! The best way to get really accurate idea of target general course is to make AT LEAST five markers (let's say with 2 mnts gap, but the gap can be longer, if you have enough time to track the sub - in P3 in the middle of the ocean, for example ) and then draw a line, which distance (rectangular) from each marker will be +- equal - in math this is called aproximation. The line is the general course of your target. I think now you see where the problem with your 10 mnts gap is - as we place the markers, we do it with errors (unavoidably) and two markers are simply not enough to correct those errors (offsets) in the above written process (aproximation). Your 2 markers can be off (lets say each by 200 yds from real target position), so the line connecting them could be seriously off his real course. Next case is when your markers are generally good (little error), but were placed unfortunately at the farthest point from the general course of the sub (point where sub turns back towards the "line" of general course). You see that if the second point will be made on the other side of this line (again extreme for example), the line between those two point will be faaaar away from the real general bearing So, that's it
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06-29-07, 12:10 PM | #8 |
Soundman
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Thanks One Shot and Hans. Basically I followed most of what was suggested. I narrowed down with the dipping sonar and buoys then closed in with the MAD, detected, and streamed the dipping to get an accurate bearing with active mode and sent a fish his way and sent it to the bottom. I know it is a pretty easy scenario but it certainly provided some lessons none the less. Next I will either do the P3 or the Kilo demo. Thanks again.
Regards, BT |
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