[REL] R.S.D. - Reworked Submarine Damage

[vdr1981]

Tnx guys! Don't hesitate to post some impressions and suggestions as well...

[vdr1981]

Gap,to which file should i add this new ObjectRemains controller, sim or zon?
I will try to replace deck gun model with something else (some flak maybe) when destroyed, to see could this work...

[gap]

Originally Posted by vdr1981

Gap,to which file should i add this new ObjectRemains controller, sim or zon?

No idea. So far I couldn't find any example of this controller being used within stock files. In Goblin Editor it is grouped in the SHCollision category, so I would say that placing it in the zon file would be okay, but look at this post by me and to the answer by TDW (one post above)

Originally Posted by vdr1981

I will try to replace deck gun model with something else (some flak maybe) when destroyed, to see could this work...

Yes, worth a try. If it doesn't work, try replacing the gun with an object in the Library folder. That folder is hardcoded, and the game looks in it when, within game files, a reference to an object is made without a path. Shouldn't work either, specify the full path to the object after its name, e.g:

20mm_C30_Soclu,data\Objects\Guns\20mm_C30

[vdr1981]

That means i could type path only DC_barrels (witthout data,library...blabla)and game should , in theory, find object automatically and replace it?

[gap]

Originally Posted by vdr1981

That means i could type path only DC_barrels (witthout data,library...blabla)and game should , in theory, find object automatically and replace it?

Exactly.

For ease of testing I would use a model which is meant to be placed on deck, one of the ship cargo models for instance. Otherwise, if it is designed for being rendered below its linking point, like one of the bomb models, you risk not to see it.

[Mikemike47]

Originally Posted by vdr1981

Tnx guys! Don't hesitate to post some impressions and suggestions as well...

Beautiful work. First time playing operation drumbeat with open horizons. Got too close to a destroyer and forgot about your mod install.

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Had damage of 40% of rudders, 20% on stern (rear) planes, and 60% on bow (front) planes. Hair raising!! Got all rear damage fixed in a decent amount of time done, but the front was the problem. For a while I could not get to periscope depth, bobbing back and forth between 14 and 15 meters. Damage control eventually fixed the forward planes. I could fire a torpedo at periscope depth and see what I am doing, finally!!!

[vdr1981]

I'm glad you like it Mike, although don't get to comfortable with "Paukenschlag" , i'm preparing v2 with some more adjustments... Still, i think it's not necessary to restart campaign until upc files are modified again...

[vdr1981]

Gap, i have noticed very high AP values for HE ammunition in you armament patch(shells.zon), sometimes even higher then their armor piercing counterpart .Why so?

[gap]

Originally Posted by vdr1981

Gap, i have noticed very high AP values for HE ammunition in you armament patch(shells.zon), sometimes even higher then their armor piercing counterpart .Why so?

Are you talking about the armaments & equipments patch v 0.2? The only change I have made on shells .dat/zon for this mod, is adding new 11" shells definitions with their own AP, radius and damage settings. Nothing else, AP values for preexisting shells should be unchanged

[vdr1981]

Originally Posted by gap

Are you talking about the armaments & equipments patch v 0.2? The only change I have made on shells .dat/zon for this mod, is adding new 11" shells definitions with their own AP, radius and damage settings. Nothing else, AP values for preexisting shells should be unchanged

I see, those are default definitions then...

[vdr1981]

Tell me Gap (i'm starting to be pain in the ass again ), have you and other moders ever experimented with AI guns elevation speeds and fire angle tolerances in order to reduce uber AI precision? Like Sober did for submarine's deck guns with his "bed weather deck gun" mod.

[gap]

Originally Posted by vdr1981

I see, those are default definitions then...

Yes, unless I made a mess with them

In any case creating new shells is really easy. Stock shells are grouped per caliber and gross category (AP, HE, AA and SS), so basically all the guns of the same caliber fire the same kind of ammunition. It is my intention for a future version of the Historical Guns Specs mod to give each gun its own shells with AP, radius and damage customized according to real ballistic properties of oerdanance historically fire by them. You are welcomed into partecipate in this project

Originally Posted by vdr1981

Tell me Gap (i'm starting to be pain in the ass again ), have you and other moders ever experimented with AI guns elevation speeds and fire angle tolerances in order to reduce uber AI precision? Like Sober did for submarine's deck guns with his "bed weather deck gun" mod.

Yes, as abundantly tested by sober first, and then by me and especially by Volodya, below certain values traverse/elevation rates have a big impact on AI aiming accuracy. On the contrary, our many tests with various tolerance factor settings, didn't show any clear trend. This is talking about U-boat guns which, as you can imagine, differ from other guns under several aspects.
Despite your first tests with them, some global factors, as Waves amplitude, Waves attenuation, Max error angle and Max fire wait, might (and should) play a role as well.

I've never test SH5 AI Guns for a problem We saw in SH3.
If the angle was set to high? You'd get a Snow effect from the shells raining back down once in a Blue Moon!


We found Real Life settings did not work in SH3 and had to lower the specs a tad.

[vdr1981]

Originally Posted by gap

Yes, unless I made a mess with them

You are welcomed into partecipate in this project

Thank's... Actually , i'm very much interested in this and your work with historical guns specification is very important for realistic submarine damage modeling. Merging those two mods in one large would be great thing for SH5...

[vdr1981]

Originally Posted by privateer

We found Real Life settings did not work in SH3 and had to lower the specs a tad.

Sure, most of the time , simple entering historically accurate data into controllers wont give us accurate behavior in the game...Simple example is U-boat diesel and electric engine power settings in unitsubmarine contr.,which are historically correct, but in game then we have sub with enormously overpowered acceleration capabilities... That's why i have tuned down engines power to 50% , for my own use...