Julian Assange leaving?

[Catfish]

Plain truth is always unwanted.
I just wonder why there is no one who speaks For Assange ?

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Plain truth is always unwanted.
I just wonder why there is no one who speaks For Assange ?

It's hard to get people to willingly become targets...

[Catfish]

@Oberon: So are we that far, yet ?
Police state, surveillance, threatening people speaking their minds ..
Where is your so-called freedom gone ?

You know i'm really interested:
Clandestine organisations, killing, abducting, torturing, eavesdropping, breaking the law of their own government.
Someone finds that out, and the people want HIM killed ? Interesting behaviour, and perception.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Catfish

@Oberon: So are we that far, yet ?
Police state, surveillance, threatening people speaking their minds ..
Where is your so-called freedom gone ?

You know i'm really interested:
Clandestine organisations, killing, abducting, torturing, eavesdropping, breaking the law of their own government.
Someone finds that out, and the people want HIM killed ? Interesting behaviour, and perception.

Freedom has always been a matter of perception. Absolute freedom has not existed since mankind first created a code of laws.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Freedom has always been a matter of perception. Absolute freedom has not existed since mankind first created a code of laws.

I am not talking about an abstract 'freedom'.
I am talking about common laws that have been created for all, which are disregarded by organisations which claim to support a state that has issued those very laws.
And the laws are being broken by everyone's judgment and perception openly, publicly.

So nothing to see here, move on eh?

[STEED]

Make sure he pays the police bill.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Plain truth is always unwanted.
I just wonder why there is no one who speaks For Assange ?

Snowden.

There is. Trouble is, the sheep are the majority.
And corruption runs deep. Very deep.


Transparency.

The sheep just mill around waiting to feed on the crap the governments of this world dish out.

We need more who blow whistles.

Expose expose expose.

[Von Tonner]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Snowden.

There is. Trouble is, the sheep are the majority.
And corruption runs deep. Very deep.


Transparency.

The sheep just mill around waiting to feed on the crap the governments of this world dish out.

We need more who blow whistles.

Expose expose expose.

Feuer Frei I could not agree with you anymore than I do. Elected governments MUST be held accountable.... my only criteria is ... do NOT hold them to account by exposing men and women in serving that government and country (who may not even support the government you wish to bring account) harm.

In my books...you would be put up against a wall and shot. In a democracy there are a number of channels of dissent available to you. Your dissent should and must not put other peoples lives at risk...particularly when those lives are securing your liberty.

[vanjast]

Why is it that all the leaks are about the USA (Assange, Snowden), why not other countries. The US 'security' establishment must be doing something wrong, or overstepping the mark.

We're talking about the 'west' only here, where we're supposed to be 'free'.

We all know how patriotism, propaganda can be twisted by the 'shepherds'.
Step back and think a bit why this has happened.

Originally Posted by Von Tonner

Feuer Frei I could not agree with you anymore than I do. Elected governments MUST be held accountable.... my only criteria is ... do NOT hold them to account by exposing men and women in serving that government and country (who may not even support the government you wish to bring account) harm.

In my books...you would be put up against a wall and shot. In a democracy there are a number of channels of dissent available to you. Your dissent should and must not put other peoples lives at risk...particularly when those lives are securing your liberty.

That is interesting.
I thought people had dropped that particular line of arguement when the governments abandoned it as being obviously rubbish.
It is nice to see some people still hold to it.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Catfish

I am not talking about an abstract 'freedom'.
I am talking about common laws that have been created for all, which are disregarded by organisations which claim to support a state that has issued those very laws.
And the laws are being broken by everyone's judgment and perception openly, publicly.

So nothing to see here, move on eh?

I guess it all depends on how much money you have.

Originally Posted by Tribesman

That is interesting.
I thought people had dropped that particular line of arguement when the governments abandoned it as being obviously rubbish.
It is nice to see some people still hold to it.

Old habits die hard, meneer.