What makes a Navy base capable of handling submarines?

[Anarkali Chaturvedi]

I've read on Wikipedia that the USN has bases in Yokosuka, Sasebo and Okinawa in Japan, and Jinhae in South Korea.


However, in the list of USN submarine bases in the West Pacific, other than Guam, none of these bases show up.


Does that mean USN submarines can't operate out of Japan/South Korea, or is Guam specially designed to handle submarines along with surface ships?


Just curious.

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by Anarkali Chaturvedi

I've read on Wikipedia that the USN has bases in Yokosuka, Sasebo and Okinawa in Japan, and Jinhae in South Korea.


However, in the list of USN submarine bases in the West Pacific, other than Guam, none of these bases show up.


Does that mean USN submarines can't operate out of Japan/South Korea, or is Guam specially designed to handle submarines along with surface ships?


Just curious.

all of the US submarines since 1960-or-so are nuclear powered.
every country in the world has a different opinion of nuclear power.
and so, the US has chosen to not publicize (more or less) where are subs make port.
does this help?

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

and so, the US has chosen to not publicize (more or less) where are subs make port.
does this help?

Well thats' not entirely true as of yesterday's newspaper!

One of the most powerful weapons in the US Navy's arsenal made a rare port call in Guam over the weekend, sending a message to allies and foes amid increasing tensions in the Indo-Pacific, analysts said.

The USS Nevada, an Ohio-class nuclear-powered submarine carrying 20 Trident ballistic missiles and dozens of nuclear warheads, pulled into the Navy base in the US Pacific Island territory on Saturday. It's the first visit of a ballistic missile submarine -- sometimes called a "boomer" -- to Guam since 2016 and only the second announced visit since the 1980s.
"The port visit strengthens cooperation between the United States and allies in the region, demonstrating US capability, flexibility, readiness, and continuing commitment to Indo-Pacific regional security and stability," a US Navy statement said. Movements of the 14 boomers in the US Navy's fleet are usually closely guarded secrets. Nuclear power means the vessels can operate submerged for months at a time, their endurance limited only by the supplies needed to sustain their crews of more than 150 sailors. The Navy says Ohio-class submarines stay an average of 77 of days at sea before spending about a month in port for maintenance and replenishment.
It's rare for one to even be photographed outside their home ports of Bangor, Washington, and Kings Bay, Georgia. The secrecy surrounding the ballistic missile submarines makes them the "most important survivable leg of the nuclear triad," which also includes silo-based ballistic missiles on the US mainland and nuclear-capable bombers like the B-2 and B-52.
But with tensions brewing between the US and China over the status of the self-ruled island of Taiwan, and as North Korea ramps up missile tests, Washington can make a statement with its ballistic missile submarines that neither Beijing nor Pyongyang can, according to the analysts. "It sends a message -- intended or not: we can park 100-odd nuclear warheads on your doorstep and you won't even know it or be able to do much about it. And the reverse isn't true and won't be for a good while," said Thomas Shugart, a former US Navy submarine captain and now an analyst at the Center for a New American Security. North Korea's ballistic submarine program is in its infancy, and China's estimated fleet of six ballistic missile submarines is dwarfed by the US Navy's.
And China's ballistic missile subs don't have the capabilities of the US boomers, according to a 2021 analysis by experts at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
China's Type 094 ballistic missile subs are two times louder than the US subs, and therefore more easily detected, and carry fewer missiles and warheads, CSIS analysts wrote in August.

IN short we're just doin' a little 'cutlass rattling'... close to China!

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

Well thats' not entirely true as of yesterday's newspaper!

i did say, more-or-less.

and the article does have words to that same effect as my reply.
It's rare for one to even be photographed outside their home ports....

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

i did say, more-or-less.

and the article does have words to that same effect as my reply.
It's rare for one to even be photographed outside their home ports....

EGAD! U did! Subtle linguistic nuances escape me B 4 I've imbibed my morning cuppa-joe!!??

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

EGAD! U did! Subtle linguistic nuances escape me B 4 I've imbibed my morning cuppa-joe!!??

lol.
do you drink the joe or splash it in your face?

[Aktungbby]

I inbibe the leaded fresh-ground French bean; but shave with the decaf...using my trusty Civil War re-enactor Solingen straight-razor!

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

I ...using my trusty Civil War re-enactor Solingen straight-razor!

what in the name of Sam Dealey's skivvies is THAT?

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

what in the name of Sam Dealey's skivvies is THAT?

https://www.dovo.com/en/straight-razors/

Markus

[Aktungbby]

Exactly! I gave all my groomsmen a boxed razor, with soap and brush, 42 years ago. Mine is an original, picked up in a pawnshop or gunshow, can't recall, and is in my ubiquitous CW haversack to this day. My grandfather always kept the stropping leather hanging on the bath wall. I actually tried it out once and had the local barber do it old $tyle one time...all things considered the modern 5-bladed Gilette razor is better; and there's less bloodletting-especially when doing the full 'dome' Kojak look...by feel!??

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by mapuc

https://www.dovo.com/en/straight-razors/

Markus

i have one of those.
did not know what they were called, other than an unsafe, straight, shaving razor.

i, like Aktungbby, prefer to shave without significant bloodletting, so i use a five-bladed Harry's razor.


my straight razor was my father's, used during the war.
it has been at test depth.

[Aktungbby]

JEEZE! We've gone from 'Boomers' to 'brews' to 'barbering' all in one thred!

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

JEEZE! We've gone from 'Boomers' to 'brews' to 'barbering' all in one thred!

we are an erudite group of men.

[Kapitan]

It would depend on what your asking of the base and submarine and also the type of submarine.

Certain bases can not handle submarines full time, sure they can make port visits every now and then as many submarines do on ports that are not normally accustomed to handling submarines.

But to base a submarine in a port requires the facilities to do so for example:

The UK can base its SSN fleet either in the Clyde or Devonport, the reason is all the support facilities are there to handle the day to day and long term maintenance as well as the needs and wants of the submarine.

On the flip side

The UK cannot deploy its SSBN fleet to Devonport as it has no facilities to load its main weapon system into the boat, so other than a short port visit you wont see a SSBN deploying from the south.

Up until the 1990's the UK used to deploy its SSKs from Gosport these boats had the facilities there to assist them when fueling and also while they were along side, since the UK no longer deploys conventional boats its no longer needed.

On a bigger scale

Some countries will not allow nuclear submarines / ships in their waters or ports (New Zealand being one) so they do have limitations on where they can deploy to or from in that sense.

In reality if its a short term thing a submarine can use almost any port it likes, but for basing it needs one with a ready built supply chain infrastructure for maintenance and re supply.