Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Dargo

A bomb shelter will not protect you from a nuclear winter.

Time maybe for a little purge-eroo?

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I was pulling his leg. But is it lost in translation.? A "Basilika" is German for a certain kind of church buildings.

Originally Posted by Catfish

^ oh i instantly got it, the leg still hurts

In german a Basilika (english basilica i guess) is the successor of big roman market halls, court houses and meeting halls that were called basilicas; their design would later be used for the architecture of the first churches with their central and side aisles. So the name stuck..

Had not heard of the byzantine law code with the same (and greek!) name before, thanks

I don't know, that's the German word for it. In English it is spelled with a "c" instead of a "k". So in English if you spell the work with a "k", you are referring to a set of laws that predates the Catholic Church by 922 years.

Besides, I like to lurk around under the layer, then pop up and fire off a salvo just to keep you on your toes.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by MaDef

I don't know, that's the German word for it. In English it is spelled with a "c" instead of a "k". So in English if you spell the work with a "k", you are referring to a set of laws that predates the Catholic Church by 922 years.

It apparently means both. I just checked three online dictionaries, and they all translate "Basilika" (the church building) as "basilica".



And I just checked further, German Wikipedia: its like I just said: the term refers both to the Roman-catholic construction type for a church as well as to the "Basiliken" (always plural), which were a canon of byzantine law codes, also named as Imperial Books (translated from the German).


Ever heard of Saint Peter's Basilica in Rome...?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Peter%27s_Basilica

[Jimbuna]

Saturday's rebellion by Wagner mercenaries was “a challenge to its stability”, Russia's prime minister has said.

Mikhail Mishustin insisted Russia must remain united behind President Vladimir Putin.

Moscow's defence minister Sergei Shoigu is shown on state TV visiting troops fighting in Ukraine - it is not clear when it was taken.

Wagner mercenary group chief, Yevgeny Prigozhin, had demanded Shoigu's removal and described him as evil.

Prigozhin agreed to leave Russia for Belarus after calling off his troops - his current whereabouts are unknown.

Russia media have reported the criminal case into Prigozhin is still open despite the Kremlin saying charges would be dropped.

The mutiny was a direct challenge to Russian President Vladimir Putin and has revealed "cracks" in his leadership, the US says.

[Aktungbby]

...my secret sources have revealed that Yvegney Pregozhsin is wearing his base-jumping parachute...24/7 and is ensconced in the the top floor of the Hilton Minsk.

[Jimbuna]

I've heard he constantly wears a bungee cord.

[Jimbuna]

BREAKING: Wagner leader Yevgeny Prigozhin has made it clear that he didn't target Putin when he declared his troops would march on Moscow, saying: "We didn't march to overthrow Russia's leadership."

In his 11-minute video message, he says: "The aim of the march was to avoid destruction of Wagner and to hold to account the officials who through their unprofessional actions have committed a massive number of errors".

He says Wagner regrets "they had to hit Russian aviation" and they turned around "to avoid spilling blood of Russian soldiers."

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by jinbuna

wears a bungee cord

...great minds think alike! I almost got a job on the security/suicide prevention detail of the Golden Gate Bridge by suggesting "a bungee-cord concession "to let 'em try it once", when asked what I could contribute by the interview panel. The thought of 02;00 duty on a Pacific storm-ravaged bridge made me eschew the job offer and a second interview invite...

[Jimbuna]

Hungary for the second time have blocked an allocation of 500 million euros from the European Peace Fund to Ukraine.

They are apparently prepared to change their mind if and when the Ukrainians take OTP, the largest Hungarian bank, off the list of international sponsors of the war.

Which begs the question, "How did they end up on said list in the first place"?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I've heard he constantly wears a bungee cord.

I heard the cord they gave him is two floors too long.



Cause some Wagners are not happy with their Piggyson:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66023631

[mapuc]

It's not only lots of expert you see and hear them telling about the war or Putins health

There's also a lot of videos floating on YT.

I take these videos with a ton of salt, as I do with these experts.

Markus

[Dargo]

President Putin responded to the failed uprising by the Wagner mercenary army last Saturday in a televised speech.

He did not mention the name of Wagner leader Prigozhin. In the about five-minute speech, which was recorded earlier, Putin again called the Wagner leaders traitors, enemies and neo-Nazis who wanted to destroy Russian society. According to Putin, they knew the mutiny was a hopeless mission. Its "unanimous rejection by society" was decisive, Putin also said. At the same time, he thanked Wagner mercenaries for their efforts in the war against Ukraine. "They proved their courage, liberated the Donbas and fought for the country," Putin claimed. He also said they avoided bloodshed by turning right around before Moscow. Wagner's mercenaries who want to do so will go to Belarus, Putin said. Those who do not want to can sign a contract with the Russian army, which will take over authority over all private armies from 1 July. They may also return to their families, the Russian president said.

Very weak speech in my view.

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Dargo

President Putin responded to the failed uprising by the Wagner mercenary army last Saturday in a televised speech.

He did not mention the name of Wagner leader Prigozhin. In the about five-minute speech, which was recorded earlier, Putin again called the Wagner leaders traitors, enemies and neo-Nazis who wanted to destroy Russian society. According to Putin, they knew the mutiny was a hopeless mission. Its "unanimous rejection by society" was decisive, Putin also said. At the same time, he thanked Wagner mercenaries for their efforts in the war against Ukraine. "They proved their courage, liberated the Donbas and fought for the country," Putin claimed. He also said they avoided bloodshed by turning right around before Moscow. Wagner's mercenaries who want to do so will go to Belarus, Putin said. Those who do not want to can sign a contract with the Russian army, which will take over authority over all private armies from 1 July. They may also return to their families, the Russian president said.

Very weak speech in my view.

Possibly the end of Wagner.

[Skybird]

I doubt many Wagners will fight for the regular army. And Putin still needs Wagner, in Syria and other African places. Using them still in Ukraine however indeed seems risky.

Question is to what degree Wagner has or can become more independent form logistical support from the defence ministry.

The rebellion in the first seems to have been due to Schoigu's attempt to effectively dissolve Wagner.