Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

It has been said that with this huge 61 bn(*) package Ukraine can fight an intensive war against Russia for 18-20 month.

* The Senate approved a package around 61 bn

Which must mean that they the Ukrainian will receive 10 package of 6 bn each.

Markus

With the rest of the west giving aid, Ukraine can fight longer than 18–20 months.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Dargo

With the rest of the west giving aid, Ukraine can fight longer than 18–20 months.

None of us common people know what Putin will do, when he understand he has lost the war ?

If he lose, he still have the possibility to order general mobilization as a last thing.

Markus

[mapuc]

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

None of us common people know what Putin will do, when he understand he has lost the war ?

If he lose, he still have the possibility to order general mobilization as a last thing.

Markus

So another 450,000 Russian military personnel and over 10,000 Russian armoured vehicles will bring victory this time?

The mood now is that the Russians can go on like this forever, but they can't. They are really reaching their limits. Together we have economies 250 times the size of the Ukrainian economy, and we are 25 times the size of the Russian economy. This war will go on for a while, start by increasing our defence, spending a little bit for artillery shells. Ukraine is a very traditional war. It depends on the artillery whether or not people die at the front. Many artillery shells are made in Europe, but because of existing orders they are sent to other continents! In a wartime like now, I think there should be a little less capitalism and a little more state planning about strategic supplies like artillery.

This also applies to the US, the US has many Patriot anti-aircraft batteries stored in Western depots, but they are not used there. Germany could provide Taurus missiles with which to hit Russian logistics behind the lines. A Ukrainian long-range strike capability is now the only way to prevent a summer offensive. In the US especially, but also in general, too much is spent on incredibly complicated and expensive defence platforms, whereas now in Ukraine sometimes just ammunition, bulletproof vests and other simple items are needed.

[Skybird]

If only we also had 250 times their determination.

Somebody said early in the war the Russians probably were the best soldiers in the world. Because of their malicous brutality, unscrupulousness, lack of compassion, total disrespect for humanistic values, and total servility. Pair this with the simpel fact that the overwhelming majority of Russian civilians believe the Putinian narration.

I recall they reported a phone call from early ion the war, at the time of the massacre at Butcha. A Russian soldier phoned with his wife and told her they demand him and other soldiers to massrape captured females. And the wife only said "Okay, but use a condom".

That the sort of mentality we deal with. Dulled, brutal, submissive, devoted to "fate". Good luck with wanting to defeat it by being civilised and smart.

Again, Putin is admired and suppported by the very huge majority of Russians.

Since two years I keep heraign the nRusians cant do this, the Russians cant sustain that. And here we are today. And every month passing by the Ukraine falls more apart and goes into ruins.


Its now 170 million Russians against around 33 million remaining Ukrainians. And a defence industry blossoming in Russia while that in Ukraine is on the brink of going extinct. And Russia being autark in the supply of civilian services and food, while Ukraine has lost any sovereignty and now is hopelessly dependent on the good will from outside.



Next winter when power and heating is needed and there is none left anymore - that is when it will break Ukraine's neck at the latest. Over 80% of their power production already now is down, mpost of that: destroyed beyond repoair. Possible repairs will be longterm efforts, interferred with by Russia. The Russians will make a pig's breakfast of the rest, too.



If only we would be 250 times more determined, yes. Instead, our political leadership is corrupted and intimidated and selfish and rotten from the skin's surface to the core of every bone.

[mapuc]

In at least three places along the front line in eastern Ukraine, Ukrainian soldiers have had to retreat.

This is due to a 'deteriorating' military situation.

This is what Ukraine's chief of defense, Oleksandr Syrskyj, said in an update on social media on Sunday.

Russian forces have been advancing eastward for some time.

https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.go..._x_tr_pto=wapp

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Russia's losses in Ukraine as of April 28: Over 1000 troops and 43 artillery systems

Russia's losses in the war in Ukraine as of Sunday morning, April 28, amount to 1096 troops, bringing the total number of Russian army losses since the beginning of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine to 466,150. In addition, the Ukrainian Armed Forces destroyed 11 tanks, 20 armoured combat vehicles and 43 enemy artillery systems, according to the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

The total combat Russian losses from 24.02.22 to 28.04.24 are estimated to be:

・personnel - about 466,150 (+1096) Russian troops were killed;

・tanks - 7279 (+11) units;

・armored combat vehicles - 13,991 (+20) units;

・artillery systems - 11,948 (+43) units;

・MLRS - 1,050 (+1) units;

・air defense systems - 7,756 (+1) units;

・airplanes - 348 units;
・helicopters - 325 units;

・UAVs of operational and tactical level - 9,507 (+22) units;

・cruise missiles - 2,124 units;

・ships/boats - 26 units;

・submarines - 1 unit;

・motor vehicles and tankers - 16,065 (+46) units;

・special equipment - 1,971 (+3) units.

Situation at frontline

In Ukraine, there were 88 combat clashes on the front line over the past day. The enemy continues active assaults in the Donetsk region.

According to the Institute for the Study of War, Russian occupiers are advancing north of Avdiivka and west of Donetsk. Additionally, aggressors are pressing on most fronts. However, Ukrainian defenders repel enemy attacks and assaults.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...0fb4b436&ei=10

[mapuc]

Do you believe this man ?



Markus

[Skybird]

He has many valid points, especially about the past events that led Russia to attack.



There were red lines ignored by the West, by mere arrogance and the beloeive one could afford to just ignore Russian protest. And it was stupoid an idea to invite Georgia and Ukraine into NATO or give them that perspective just becasue one thought that Ruzssia wouldn't do anything about it and becasue one claimed to be on the superior idealistic mission.


This is what happens when absolute moralism replaces sound reason and Realpolitik .


The reason why I was caught on the wrong foot 26 months ago, was not the war itself, but the timing and superficial excuse they went to war over. I expected them to construct a more solid "alibi".Reasons why they woudl launch a big war I had given myself beforek, too. So, the individual circumstances caught me off guard, not the fact itself that they went to war.

Balkans, anyone? Serbia?Could become a big headline sooner than most people think, I think.



The arch sin of the Wets is since decades that it terirbyl fails in seeign things throuzgh the eyes of its enemies. It always assume the others see the same thing through the Wetsenr glasses and thus come to the same ocnclsuions like the West. I find this ridiculous since the end of my school days already. First know your enemy better to then understand how he really thinks. But self-importance and arrogance blind us in the West time and time again.

[mapuc]

As I said to my friend on FB(it was he who posted the video on his wall)I hope he is wrong about the outcome of the war, that Ukraine will, if not winning the war, drag Russia to the negotiation table due to massive human and material cost.

Markus

[Skybird]

The humanitarian cost is of no concern for the fascists in the Kremlin. So the question is with what Ukraine could dream to set the conditions in negotiations. Russia has 5-6 times the population of Ukraine now, better economy, and nuclear weapons.

Negotiating...?

The winner does what he wants. The looser suffers what he must.