Las Vegas: 59 dead in Mandalay Bay shooting

[Rockstar]

Explosives found may be linked to the same used used in the NYC bombing. Id wager money where this is slowly but surely going.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by em2nought

This guy wasn't a gun guy. Gun guys don't do things to give guns a bad name.

He had what 30-40 guns total? I'd say that makes him a "gun guy".

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Dowly

He had what 30-40 guns total? I'd say that makes him a "gun guy".

He had forty-seven (47) guns in all twenty-four (24) found in his hotel room (the hotel room is also under investigation
as belonging to some corp) with half of the guns (12) being fitted with a bump stock to make them fire continuously
with one pull of the trigger.

Most of the guns were purchased in the last (12) months in Nevada and Utah with back ground checks and no red flags.

He had lots of ammunition left in some odd 17 clips ... He must have got spooked when the hotel security guard
showed up at his door, who he shoots and then turned his little hand gun on himself.

It could've been a lot worse without that security guard locating him ... he's a hero in a way.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Dowly

He had what 30-40 guns total? I'd say that makes him a "gun guy".

I think what he means about not being a gun guy is the shooter wasn't really interested in Firearms as a hobby but as tools to cause destruction. Typically a "gun guy" (also often called a gun nut) is an enthusiast who has a long history of buying guns shooting guns and knowing all about guns. IMO

[Dowly]

Fair enough, I'll concede my point.

[mapuc]

Why does people have to, depending on their political standpoint, put a criminal in "boxes" ?

Many of my FB-friends keep on saying he was a Muslim(changed religion), thou I haven't found any reliable sources that confirm this.

I know somehow where they stand politically.

Could it be these people can't handle that a white Christian person doing those things and therefore have to change his religion so it fit in their world of beliefs ?

Markus

[Oberon]

So what was Tim McVeigh?

Originally Posted by wikipedia

In 1993, he drove to Waco, Texas during the Waco siege to show his support. At the scene, he distributed pro-gun rights literature and bumper stickers, such as "When guns are outlawed, I will become an outlaw." He told a student reporter:

The government is afraid of the guns people have because they have to have control of the people at all times. Once you take away the guns, you can do anything to the people. You give them an inch and they take a mile. I believe we are slowly turning into a socialist government. The government is continually growing bigger and more powerful, and the people need to prepare to defend themselves against government control.[29][30]

For the five months following the Waco siege, McVeigh worked at gun shows and handed out free cards printed up with Lon Horiuchi's name and address, "in the hope that somebody in the Patriot movement would assassinate the sharpshooter." (Horiuchi is an FBI sniper and some of his official actions have drawn controversy, specifically his shooting and killing of Randy Weaver's wife while she held an infant child.) He wrote hate mail to the sniper, suggesting that "what goes around, comes around". McVeigh later considered putting aside his plan to target the Murrah Building to target Horiuchi or a member of his family instead.[31]

McVeigh became a fixture on the gun show circuit, traveling to forty states and visiting about eighty gun shows. McVeigh found that the further west he went, the more anti-government sentiment he encountered, at least until he got to what he called "The People's Socialist Republic of California."[32] McVeigh sold survival items and copies of The Turner Diaries. One author said:

In the gun show culture, McVeigh found a home. Though he remained skeptical of some of the most extreme ideas being bandied around, he liked talking to people there about the United Nations, the federal government and possible threats to American liberty

Harper Mercer and his Mum were fond of firearms too:

There were fourteen legally purchased weapons kept in the apartment, and Harper-Mercer's mother wrote online that she always kept full magazines in Glock pistols and an AR-15 rifle inside.[62] The two often spent time together at shooting ranges, but Harper-Mercer was otherwise extremely isolated.

Carlos Mendez:

Mendez, a former member of the military, was a gun enthusiast on cocaine at least a day earlier as well, prompting his wife and two children to leave their home Monday evening when he became unstable.

http://www.ocregister.com/2016/11/10...enance-worker/

Just because someone is a gun enthusiast or 'nut' it doesn't automatically mean that they're immune from psychological events or other trigger factors which may prompt these people to do what they do.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Why does people have to, depending on their political standpoint, put a criminal in "boxes" ?

Because some people find comfort in characterizing events, especially emotionally traumatic events into "boxes" they either understand or have a strong opinion about

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Just because someone is a gun enthusiast or 'nut' it doesn't automatically mean that they're immune from psychological events or other trigger factors which may prompt these people to do what they do.

Of course not.

[Gerald]

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Of course not.

I think the trickiest part is locating the mental problem before the event, because we don't have the kind of mental scanning capacity that you see in science fiction, therefore anyone around you could be a mass-murderer in waiting. Of course, you get a number in the early years of a persons life because of the mental difficulties that are the teenage years and early twenties, which is, I think, why you find that a lot of the radical Islamic terrorists are in that age group, because they are easy to manipulate and already feel like outcasts, and if you add the whole 'feel' that society has with Islam on top of that then you have a dangerous combination.
But this guy, it is an odd one, and the choice of target too...it's not impossible that there's a political motive and he was left of center, I'll admit that, but equally there's a number of other possibilities. Unlike the lower age group it's not particularly likely that he was a member of online groups or was on facebook, otherwise we'd have heard something about it by now because the media are fine tooth combing through his entire life story right now.
The horrible fact is, unless he left some kind of final proclamation somewhere, we may never know why he did it.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Oberon

... but equally there's a number of other possibilities. Unlike the lower age group it's not particularly likely that he was a member of online groups or was on facebook, otherwise we'd have heard something about it by now because the media are fine tooth combing through his entire life story right now.

The horrible fact is, unless he left some kind of final proclamation somewhere, we may never know why he did it.

The very fact that we don't know the shooters motive yet, proves that he was very good at hiding it.


http://www.ktnv.com/news/las-vegas-s...e-son-scenario

The emerging profile of shooter Stephen Paddock paints the picture of a meticulous planner who was disturbed and dangerous.

Similar words were once used to describe Paddock's father, who was also a notorious criminal.

Sources tell Contact 13 this may well be a case of "Like father, like son."

[Gorpet]

This is not a reply to u Mr. Quatro. i don't know how to post a single reply. So here is a wealthy man who doesn't like country folks. Or their music. it looks like a dead end on any thing else. So at 64 he closed the book of his life. Societies loving tolerance has spawned these humans.Why should it even make the news.Damn 60 out of 22,000 i would say he's a bad shot. I believe it was Orchestrated by those who can benefit from the event.Now in Americo who would that be ? Could be the ruling families of this country. We don't have a King or
Queen. We have Republicans and Democrats Their families have to share the wealth and the power in this country.The rest of us are the ant's that work and provide that power.And the best way to keep power is to keep the ants
. Killing one another and take away in the name of keeping u ant's safe everything that u have that can take us out of power.Thoe's who control the cloud are smarter than the ant.


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[Gorpet]

****, here come the grammar guy's . That is why i don't.post

[Gorpet]

A lot of us are the ant's , And we don't have the time to spell check . Or pre write down what we want to say. So you get just what is on our minds at the time we respond.So there ya go.