Las Vegas: 59 dead in Mandalay Bay shooting - Page 7

Mr Quatro · 10-04-17, 05:02 PM

Video's available to get around the laws ... I'm not kidding. It is available I've even seen stores that will teach you how to take an illegal machine gun apart and put it in your luggage and ship it anywhere ... Legal!!!

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One way to avoid registration is to lock the magazine in the rifle until the upper and lower are separated. Cross armory made this process as fast as possible with there Quick Pins. The Quick Pins allow the user to open and close the receivers in a fraction of the time it takes to pull a standard rear takedown.

Onkel Neal · 10-04-17, 06:02 PM

I'm not sure, because I don't delve into these things, but I thought it was highly illegal to convert a semi auto to a full auto. A gunsmith could be in real trouble for doing it. That's my impression. As for gimmicks and novelties like a bump stock, ban them. Lawyers can figure out but the language.

Mr Quatro · 10-04-17, 09:41 PM

You can buy the parts to make a machine gun after you put it together it is then illegal unless it was a semi-automatic to begin with and then the bump stock will pull the trigger multi times for you with just one pull.

The gun shops, that I won't provide links to, show you how to assemble and disassemble the gun (rifle or hand gun) and they sell the extra long clips too.

The employees of one shop are ex US Marines ... all legal, legal as long as it is not a functioning gun.

This confirms that we will have this blood thirsty mad man or our news screens someday:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/investigato...ry?id=50273390

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One official said he also had a camera mounted in the room, apparently to record himself.

Plus a red flag of his girlfriend having visited Dubai ... probably nothing to it, but I bet it comes up later.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/rea...8d133c0c82d8c1

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Australian girlfriend of Stephen Paddock, who killed 60 people

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Last year, Ms Danley travelled to Dubai, and appears to have visited family members there.

Rockin Robbins · 10-05-17, 02:10 AM

There seems to be a mad stampede to solve the problem of fully automatic weapons, but when's the last time such a weapon was used to kill a lot of people? Just doesn't seem to be a problem.

That's because they're terrible weapons for killing specific people. So are weapons with bump stocks. Both methods are ways to ruin any possible aim in favor of wasting a lot of ammo in any scenario where you want to shoot any specific people. Put them in the vicinity of a crowd where you don't care too much about who in particular gets it and they are in a can't miss situation.

In this case the people hiding and the like, unless they were behind armor, weren't doing themselves a bit of good. The man in the window surely wasn't aiming, but performing the much derided "spray and pray."

It's interesting that Europe, where firearms are much harder to obtain France and Britain have had their share of firearms related killing. Only the civilians were left defenseless. I'm sure that is why our perp here was spraying from a high window. Were he on the ground, someone would have been able to take some shots at him.

When it comes down to it, though, how do you protect people from a sufficiently motivated madman who doesn't care if he loses his own life? He could have tossed muriatic acid bombs, or hand grenades, driven an auto through the crowd (presently very popular in Europe).... If you want to kill people there is always a way to do it.

And does punishing the innocent really make sense? Restricting people's ability to maintain their swimming pools, or restricting the use of automobiles, or prohibiting the military from having weapons that could be used to kill people wouldn't help much. I suppose you could require all high rise buildings to have all windows bullet proof with no way to open them. That would be peachy in a fire situation, wouldn't it? And we always love to torture ourselves by being melodramatic "why has society fallen to the point where people do these terrible things." Society wasn't behind those guns, an aberrant man was behind them. How do you eliminate and prevent crazy people? I love the "well we can't fix it but shouldn't we do something" people. Sure, I think we should make puppies illegal. That would fix it. For that matter a sufficient quantity of cyanide would have killed everyone in a several block area and prevented these shootings. Makes as much sense as anything else proposed by the hand wringers.

Sufficiently motivated people who wish to kill others will always find a way, no matter how totalitarian our governments become to attempt to prevent such things. I think the answer may be to hold those people close to the killers, who were in a position to see the danger, but who chose to do nothing, as responsible as the killer for the carnage they did not prevent.

If people, instead of being afraid to say anything, were more afraid NOT to, that would fix everything, wouldn't it?

And making other people afraid makes people with power very happy.

It's a terrible tragedy, with no solutions that make any sense if we think about their bad effects. So let's just do something without thinking and be done with it.

Dowly · 10-05-17, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

I just wonder what this shooter had in mind; what was going on in his head

A bullet?

Jimbuna · 10-05-17, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

I'm not sure, because I don't delve into these things, but I thought it was highly illegal to convert a semi auto to a full auto. A gunsmith could be in real trouble for doing it. That's my impression. As for gimmicks and novelties like a bump stock, ban them. Lawyers can figure out but the language.

What Is a Bump Stock and How Was It Used in the Las Vegas Shooting?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...vegas-gun.html

Catfish · 10-05-17, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

This vid shows all that is wrong, from do-it-yourself weapon improving to suporting illegal use, to the title "The daily shooter" (lmao!!), to a bearded, black-shirted, tattooed, black-sunglasses-wearing "patriot" with a fool's cap. Who else would you trust

em2nought · 10-05-17, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

This shooter took years to plan this job by acquiring all of these weapons and ammunition

It doesn't take years to acquire that many weapons. I'm pretty sure the mainstream media is more at fault here than anyone selling weapons. The guy is a lefty nut job. In one awful swoop he struck a blow against Trump supporters at that concert(it wasn't a bunch of people with a vagina on their head after all), the 2nd amendment, Trump, and "white" men in general.

Skybird · 10-05-17, 01:00 PM

It was on media that either all ten guns in the hotel room or all twenty-something guns in his home were bought within one year. This is madness indeed. I may be in favor of owning guns, but I am definitely against it being legal to acquire - or modify - full automatics, or to buy quantities that are sufficient to equip an army. I also do not accept mines, SAMs and mortars to be on sale. No private armies, please. No private wars. Leave dealing with that to the regular army indeed.

Rockstar · 10-05-17, 03:06 PM

ISIS continues to insist they had a hand in his conversion. Considering the target and what it appears to many to represent. It will be interesting to see where this shooters loyalty was and his motivation for comitting such a henious act.

em2nought · 10-05-17, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

It was on media that either all ten guns in the hotel room or all twenty-something guns in his home were bought within one year. This is madness indeed.

I've bought firearms from a dealer that had Yugo SKS's available by the crate last year. I'm fairly certain there are some Americans who own hundreds of firearms, and they've never been a problem to anyone. If I chose to own enough small arms and ammunition to equip my own small army/militia it's perfectly acceptable because of the second amendment. If I was rich I most certainly would have a sizeable arsenal just in case, but not just in case I was going to go wack a doodle. This guy wasn't a gun guy. Gun guys don't do things to give guns a bad name. This guy was a lefty or jihadi.

Skybird · 10-05-17, 08:07 PM

A lefty? No righty? The left wackos and "progressives" over here at least, usually are not associated with gun fetishism, but rightwingers are.

em2nought · 10-05-17, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

A lefty? No righty? The left wackos and "progressives" over here at least, usually are not associated with gun fetishism, but rightwingers are.

He buys coffee at Starbucks, he's definitely on the left.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-las...htmlstory.html

Onkel Neal · 10-05-17, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by em2nought

This guy wasn't a gun guy. Gun guys don't do things to give guns a bad name. This guy was a lefty or jihadi.

This guy was seriously crazy. And evil. I haven't heard anything reliable about his political leanings.

Oberon · 10-05-17, 09:12 PM

It's the October Revolution comrades.

But we must act quickly, already the finest minds in America have discovered our plan:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/alex-j...-along-with-it

10-04-17, 06:02 PM	#92
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,284 Downloads: 534 Uploads: 224	I'm not sure, because I don't delve into these things, but I thought it was highly illegal to convert a semi auto to a full auto. A gunsmith could be in real trouble for doing it. That's my impression. As for gimmicks and novelties like a bump stock, ban them. Lawyers can figure out but the language. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

10-05-17, 02:10 AM	#94
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,899 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	There seems to be a mad stampede to solve the problem of fully automatic weapons, but when's the last time such a weapon was used to kill a lot of people? Just doesn't seem to be a problem. That's because they're terrible weapons for killing specific people. So are weapons with bump stocks. Both methods are ways to ruin any possible aim in favor of wasting a lot of ammo in any scenario where you want to shoot any specific people. Put them in the vicinity of a crowd where you don't care too much about who in particular gets it and they are in a can't miss situation. In this case the people hiding and the like, unless they were behind armor, weren't doing themselves a bit of good. The man in the window surely wasn't aiming, but performing the much derided "spray and pray." It's interesting that Europe, where firearms are much harder to obtain France and Britain have had their share of firearms related killing. Only the civilians were left defenseless. I'm sure that is why our perp here was spraying from a high window. Were he on the ground, someone would have been able to take some shots at him. When it comes down to it, though, how do you protect people from a sufficiently motivated madman who doesn't care if he loses his own life? He could have tossed muriatic acid bombs, or hand grenades, driven an auto through the crowd (presently very popular in Europe).... If you want to kill people there is always a way to do it. And does punishing the innocent really make sense? Restricting people's ability to maintain their swimming pools, or restricting the use of automobiles, or prohibiting the military from having weapons that could be used to kill people wouldn't help much. I suppose you could require all high rise buildings to have all windows bullet proof with no way to open them. That would be peachy in a fire situation, wouldn't it? And we always love to torture ourselves by being melodramatic "why has society fallen to the point where people do these terrible things." Society wasn't behind those guns, an aberrant man was behind them. How do you eliminate and prevent crazy people? I love the "well we can't fix it but shouldn't we do something" people. Sure, I think we should make puppies illegal. That would fix it. For that matter a sufficient quantity of cyanide would have killed everyone in a several block area and prevented these shootings. Makes as much sense as anything else proposed by the hand wringers. Sufficiently motivated people who wish to kill others will always find a way, no matter how totalitarian our governments become to attempt to prevent such things. I think the answer may be to hold those people close to the killers, who were in a position to see the danger, but who chose to do nothing, as responsible as the killer for the carnage they did not prevent. If people, instead of being afraid to say anything, were more afraid NOT to, that would fix everything, wouldn't it? And making other people afraid makes people with power very happy. It's a terrible tragedy, with no solutions that make any sense if we think about their bad effects. So let's just do something without thinking and be done with it. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS Last edited by Rockin Robbins; 10-05-17 at 02:22 AM.

10-05-17, 01:00 PM	#99
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,498 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	It was on media that either all ten guns in the hotel room or all twenty-something guns in his home were bought within one year. This is madness indeed. I may be in favor of owning guns, but I am definitely against it being legal to acquire - or modify - full automatics, or to buy quantities that are sufficient to equip an army. I also do not accept mines, SAMs and mortars to be on sale. No private armies, please. No private wars. Leave dealing with that to the regular army indeed. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-05-17, 03:06 PM	#100
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,833 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	ISIS continues to insist they had a hand in his conversion. Considering the target and what it appears to many to represent. It will be interesting to see where this shooters loyalty was and his motivation for comitting such a henious act. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time. Last edited by Rockstar; 10-05-17 at 10:44 PM.

10-05-17, 08:07 PM	#102
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,498 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	A lefty? No righty? The left wackos and "progressives" over here at least, usually are not associated with gun fetishism, but rightwingers are. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-05-17, 09:12 PM	#105
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	It's the October Revolution comrades. But we must act quickly, already the finest minds in America have discovered our plan: https://www.thedailybeast.com/alex-j...-along-with-it