US Politics Thread 2021-24

[mapuc]

It was first now I had time to read about Liz Cheney's defeat in the primary election in Wyoming

I can say this
If you show disrespect against the leader of a party-Like the Republican the voters will punish you.

She was one of the Rep who voted for impeach Trump-The voters don't care this politician has in their eye shown disrespect

Markus

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

[August]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Nope. Ownership of the documents transferred to NARA as soon as Trump took the office.

I didn't say anything about Trump. Try reading before commenting buddy.

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Is that really the best you can do? Pretend the 2018 Legal Agreement does not say what it actually says in plain language and then post irrelevant links to PR material?

I will post again the text to article 7 of the 2018 Legal Agreement:



https://www.obama.org/wp-content/upl...F-NARA-LOI.pdf

The language is black and white and unambiguous. There were classified douments held by the Obama Foundation in the Hoffman Estates in 2018 and the Hoffman Estates was not a NARA-controlled facility that conforms to the agency's archival storage standards for such records.

Now in an objective Court of Law, there is something known as the hierarchy of evidence:

-On the one hand, you have a legal agreement drafted in 2018 which makes it clear that Obama was holding classified documents in potential violation of the presidential Records Act.

-On the other hand you have a "cover your ass" bureaucratic press release written by NARA when it is the middle of a potential political scandal.

The problem with Rabid Anti-Trumpers, like you, is that they are so blinded by their hatred of Trump that they can no longer look at facts objectively. They just latch on to whatever story they think will potentially hurt Trump even though it is as flimsy as a house of cards.

So when the question came up if Trump is being treated differenty from other ex-Presidents, NARA conveniently issues a PR docmunent and all the MSM latched on to it: "Oh Look, a shiny object! case closed! no need to investigate further!"

Now if these were more normal political times, you might expect journalists to dig a little deeper and ask some simple questions like:

-WHO actually wrote the NARA press release?;
-Was the author of the NARA press release aware of the 2018 Legal Agreement?;
-Can NARA explain the discrepancy between what they are saying now and what was in the 2018 Legal Agreeement?;

So again we are back to the same question as before, why is Trump deing treated differently than Obama?

You can be sure all these questions and more will be asked in 2023 when NARA officials are hauled in front of congressional committees to answer them under oath.

I think Dowly should move to the USA and run for President.Seems he has more knowledge of our Constitution than our own Politicians. The problem is the Oath they take.

[Gorpet]

Nothing: So all you allies that haven't been screwed already. We Americans are going to screw you some more with the full knowledge and backing of your politicians. Look the best minds you have in your country have fallen to power and money.

The Chinese loosed upon the world a virus.If it was accidental why were they working on it Why? Who and what countries were they going to wipe out with this virus ? The United States ,The United Kingdom,Canada,India,Russia ,South America ,Africa The rest of the world? Have your Politicians been living up to the oaths they have taken? And hold the Chinese responsible?

How in the hell did the smartest people in our countries that we elected to represent us and they took a Oath of Office to protect the integrity of our people and our nation's.Bring us to this point? Of total world collapse?

In our past our leaders were chosen from those who lived with us day to day hour by hour.They experienced the realty's of a world made by their decisions There were no escapes.Maybe it should be so again.

[Buddahaid]

Oops, Trump lies again.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-chec...s-929954890662

[Gorpet]

Has any Allied News Organization asked any President or Head of Government of an Allied Country the cost per day to finance Volodymyr Zelenskyy the President of Ukraine's war?
Now the United States President has taken Trillions of his citizens money without even asking or taken a vote on it.If your talking Democracy i think the Citizens of country should take a vote and decide before One Party or one Leader of a Party makes this kind of decision.If you have a Political Party running off making decisions about wars against another country.

Without even considering what the people of his own country think about it.That's not Democracy that's What ?
Oh yes The United States Government our Grandma's and Grandpa's and their children and the World's Same must have a Planet they can Dominate . And if it means War to hide their secrets then let slip the Dogs.

[Gorpet]

Well Joe Biden is Joe.
But is his party any different than Mr.Putins ? I would say no ,We the everyday people in this country are getting screwed by this Party. If everyone will be equal without prejudice why do we still have unions ? Why are the Democrats going crazy?

Our Communist will be the Best.That's what America's ruling families are about, Our Communist families will show yours and the World how to be the best.They failed at keeping a moral compass based on the simple principles of their own laws. Power is what turns everyday citizens and the party's they join into Dictators. Right down to the people who teach your children,your neighbors, law enforcement hell the guys who pick up your garbage. How is your government any different ?

You don't know!

[Gorpet]

[QUOTE=Buddahaid;2823561]Oops, Trump lies again.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-chec...s-929954890662[/QUOTE

Your own party,Lives in your head everyday.It's not Donald Trump.You have a weakness in your mind. If you were to get out and spend 12 hrs a day doing some construction work. I will guarantee you the last thing on your mind at the end of the day will not be Politics.

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by mapuc

It was first now I had time to read about Liz Cheney's defeat in the primary election in Wyoming

I can say this
If you show disrespect against the leader of a party-Like the Republican the voters will punish you.

She was one of the Rep who voted for impeach Trump-The voters don't care this politician has in their eye shown disrespect

Markus

[August]

Interesting.

FBI Unit Leading Mar-a-Lago Probe Earlier Ran Discredited Trump-Russia Investigation

By Paul Sperry, RealClearInvestigations
August 18, 2022

The FBI division overseeing the investigation of former President Trump's handling of classified material at his Mar-a-Lago residence is also a focus of Special Counsel John Durham's investigation of the bureau's alleged abuses of power and political bias during its years-long Russiagate probe of Trump.

The FBI's nine-hour, 30-agent raid of the former president's Florida estate is part of a counterintelligence case run out of Washington – not Miami, as has been widely reported – according to FBI case documents and sources with knowledge of the matter. The bureau's counterintelligence division led the 2016-2017 Russia "collusion" investigation of Trump, codenamed "Crossfire Hurricane."

Although the former head of Crossfire Hurricane, Peter Strzok, was fired after the disclosure of his vitriolic anti-Trump tweets, several members of his team remain working in the counterintelligence unit, the sources say, even though they are under active investigation by both Durham and the bureau's disciplinary arm, the Office of Professional Responsibility. The FBI declined to respond to questions about any role they may be taking in the Mar-a-Lago case.

In addition, a key member of the Crossfire team – Supervisory Intelligence Analyst Brian Auten – has continued to be involved in politically sensitive investigations, including the ongoing federal probe of potentially incriminating content found on the abandoned laptop of President Biden's son Hunter Biden, according to recent correspondence between the Senate Judiciary Committee and FBI Director Christopher Wray. FBI whistleblowers have alleged that Auten tried to falsely discredit derogatory evidence against Hunter Biden during the 2020 campaign by labeling it Russian "disinformation," an assessment that caused investigative activity to cease.


Auten has been allowed to work on sensitive cases even though he has been under internal investigation since 2019, when Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz referred him for disciplinary review for his role in vetting a Hillary Clinton campaign-funded dossier used by the FBI to obtain a series of wiretap warrants to spy on former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page. Horowitz singled out Auten for cutting a number of corners in the verification process and even allowing information he knew to be incorrect slip into warrant affidavits and mislead the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court.

https://www.realclearinvestigations....ax_848582.html

[August]

The Savages!

Constitution be damned, the FDA is moving ahead to ban almond milk

by Justin Pearson

August 18, 2022 01:54 PM



Governing a country as large as the United States is hard. Sometimes, government officials make mistakes. But that is no excuse for doing something they know is wrong. The FDA knows it is unconstitutional to ban terms such as “coconut milk,” “almond milk,” and “oat milk.” But because large and powerful groups have asked for the ban, the FDA is planning to impose it anyway.

The FDA knows the ban would violate the First Amendment because of Mary Lou Wesselhoeft, a Florida dairy farmer who refused to inject anything artificial into her farm’s dairy products. She sold pasteurized whole milk and cream, along with the skim milk that was left over from skimming the cream.
The problem for Mary Lou was that Florida had copied an FDA requirement that skim milk without artificial vitamin additives could not be called "skim milk." Instead, because the product only consisted of pure skim milk, it was required to be called “imitation skim milk” or “imitation milk product.” Rather than mislabel her skim milk and comply with the government’s demand that she lie to her customers, Mary Lou literally poured her skim milk down the drain.
Mary Lou launched a First Amendment lawsuit challenging this ridiculous regulation in 2014. Florida argued that it could ban Mary Lou’s label because her pure skim milk had a different vitamin content than skim milk with artificial additives. A federal appellate court disagreed. In 2017, the court ruled in Mary Lou’s favor and explained that nutritional concerns could not justify a ban on speech. At best, the government could demand a content-neutral requirement for more information, with a nutritional fact panel being the best-known example. Mary Lou had always been willing to provide this additional information.

The FDA knows all about this ruling. In fact, when a subsequent lawsuit challenged the federal regulation that Florida had copied, the FDA’s director of food safety filed a sworn declaration in federal court explaining that because of the ruling in Mary Lou’s case, the FDA would no longer enforce this regulation. The FDA also posted a letter on its website telling states around the nation that they were no longer required to enforce the unconstitutional regulation either.
But then came the international dairy conglomerates. They are making the exact same argument that the federal appellate court rejected — that because of differences in nutritional content, the government can ban plain language that reasonable consumers generally understand.
Here, the banned terms are labels such as “coconut milk,” “almond milk,” and “cashew milk,” which the dairy cartel disingenuously says might confuse consumers. In fact, multiple courts have already explained that these types of bans are just as unconstitutional as the ban in Mary Lou’s case. The FDA undoubtedly knows about these court rulings too.
Yet despite knowing that the ban will violate the First Amendment, the FDA cannot bring itself to say no to the dairy industry’s powerful special interest groups. So, according to several reports, the FDA is moving ahead with its plans to ban these terms that people understand perfectly well.

Worse, this ban already technically exists, even if it has never been enforced. The FDA’s regulations already say that only cow’s milk can be called "milk." Indeed, even goat milk does not qualify as "milk." But because no reasonable consumer actually thinks that coconut milk comes from a cow, this regulation has never been enforced. Nonetheless, in the coming weeks, the Office of Management and Budget could give the green light to the FDA’s new draft guidance on enforcing this previously unused, ridiculous clause buried deep in the regulatory code.
Despite knowing these bans will be challenged in court and that the FDA will lose, regulatory officials seem bent on wasting millions of taxpayer dollars defending an unconstitutional law to satisfy corporate interests, rather than allow consumers simply to read the labels and make the choice that is right for them. When those powerful groups come calling, the FDA’s desire to do the right thing goes down the drain, just like Mary Lou’s pure skim milk once did.
Justin Pearson is a senior attorney at the nonprofit Institute for Justice, where he was the first attorney in U.S. history to win a First Amendment challenge against a food standard of identity. He has written extensively on this topic, including in the Georgetown Journal of Law and Public Policy.

[em2nought]

Milk is milk, and women are women.

[Skybird]

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...s-hu-rcna36706

A small but growing number of "cash" pharmacies take no insurance, instead selling generic drugs, often at far lower prices than customers pay with insurance.

[August]

Biden administration caught in a whopper.

Biden White House facilitated DOJ's criminal probe against Trump, scuttled privilege claims: memos

"I have therefore decided not to honor the former President's 'protective' claim of privilege," acting National Archivist Debra Steidel Wall wrote Trump's team in May.

Long before it professed no prior knowledge of the raid on Donald Trump's estate, the Biden White House worked directly with the Justice Department and National Archives to instigate the criminal probe into alleged mishandling of documents, allowing the FBI to review evidence retrieved from Mar-a-Lago this spring and eliminating the 45th president's claims to executive privilege, according to contemporaneous government documents reviewed by Just the News.
The memos show then-White House Deputy Counsel Jonathan Su was engaged in conversations with the FBI, DOJ and National Archives as early as April, shortly after 15 boxes of classified and other materials were voluntarily returned to the federal historical agency from Trump's Florida home.
By May, Su conveyed to the Archives that President Joe Biden would not object to waiving his predecessor's claims to executive privilege, a decision that opened the door for DOJ to get a grand jury to issue a subpoena compelling Trump to turn over any remaining materials he possessed from his presidency.
The machinations are summarized in several memos and emails exchanged between the various agencies in spring 2022, months before the FBI took the added unprecedented step of raiding Trump's Florida compound with a court-issued search warrant.