The CHN/ China thread - Page 9

mapuc · 10-04-21, 08:56 AM

Your comment about this German frigate "Bayern" made me laugh, it also made me remember this movie with Peter Sellers "The Mouse That Roared"

You could also say that the German don't lack self confidence

Markus

mapuc · 10-04-21, 09:52 AM

So far we have been discussing this from the Taiwan and USA point-of-view.

We haven't exactly seen it from the Chinese point-of-view.

Why they demand this huge part of the South China Sea.

Taiwan is a part of China and have been so for century-So here I have a tiny understanding why they want the island back.

I hope they find an agreement like UK and China did with Hong Kong.

Markus

Jimbuna · 10-04-21, 12:04 PM

Why would Taiwan accept any agreement with China?

The Chinese never stuck to the agreement they made with the UK regarding Hong Kong.

mapuc · 10-04-21, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Why would Taiwan accept any agreement with China?

The Chinese never stuck to the agreement they made with the UK regarding Hong Kong.

I don't think so either. I was purely taking a view from the Chinese side of the problem.

If China does make their threat real-Taiwan has nothing that could prevent China from taking their island. USA and it's allied is the only who could throw China back from Taiwan.

The question is, how strong is Biden and his staff when it comes to USA foreign policy ?

Markus

Jimbuna · 10-04-21, 01:04 PM

Not strong enough I suspect.

Skybird · 10-04-21, 03:34 PM

China is not Iraq. Will the US accept the very severe and heavy losses a war with China would cost them to defend Taiwan or the Southchinese Sea?

I have extremely serious doubts. Since many years.

mapuc · 10-04-21, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

China is not Iraq. Will the US accept the very severe and heavy losses a war with China would cost them to defend Taiwan or the Southchinese Sea?

I have extremely serious doubts. Since many years.

No doubt the American people would demand an American withdrawal if the body count goes skyhigh.

Markus

Skybird · 10-04-21, 04:57 PM

It seems somebody has "mistaken" national air space for ADIZ's.

https://www.dw.com/en/chinas-taiwan-...ace/a-59398039

mapuc · 10-04-21, 05:13 PM

Does China recognize Taiwans ADIZ ?

The way they are acting it doesn't look like they do.

Markus

Skybird · 10-04-21, 05:17 PM

Probably not, the Taiwanese ADIZ covers even parts of the Chinese mainland.

A bit crazy an arrangement they have there.

mapuc · 10-04-21, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Probably not, the Taiwanese ADIZ covers even parts of the Chinese mainland.

A bit crazy an arrangement they have there.

In a way I understand why Taiwan's ADIZ cover a part of China.
Taiwan need to identify any plane that enter this area. before entering the Taiwan strait.

I've seen the pattern where these Chinese aircraft have been flying and it is close to Taiwans southern area.

Markus

ET2SN · 10-04-21, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

I've seen the pattern where these Chinese aircraft have been flying and it is close to Taiwans southern area.

Markus

You should understand why Hainan is so important to China.
The southeast corner of the island is the home of the PRC's SSBN fleet.
Why Hainan? Anyone who's played sub sims in the Yellow Sea can answer that.

Why SSBN's? That's a more tricky question. The PRC really didn't need them at the time and wound up in a "tail wagging the dog" situation.

Basing the SSBN fleet on Hainan meant having closer access to deep water and the Pacific as a whole. It also placed their fleet a LOT closer to foreign Navies which becomes a big problem if your designers and shipyards happily ignore building quiet subs.

mapuc · 10-05-21, 10:54 AM

Could be wrong.

The only reason to why China hasn't attacked Taiwan already, is because China does not know how USA will act or if they would act at all.

This uncertainty is holding China back.

On the other hand, these test of the Taiwan defence China makes on daily basis, is also a signal to USA/testing USA response and so far it has only been harsh words from Washington D.C

Markus

Skybird · 10-05-21, 11:11 AM

Its attrition what they are doing, giving the Taiwanese forces no time to get rest, keeping them in constant alertness, while Chinese fighters and pilots can get psychological rest their Taiwanese counterparts cannot. In the end, China has time on its side, the economic and military balances are shifting in its favour, both work against the US and against Taiwan.

They keep the pressure up.

Lets see how the unfolding economic crash affects their calculations.

August · 10-05-21, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ET2SN

You should understand why Hainan is so important to China.
The southeast corner of the island is the home of the PRC's SSBN fleet.
Why Hainan? Anyone who's played sub sims in the Yellow Sea can answer that.

Why SSBN's? That's a more tricky question. The PRC really didn't need them at the time and wound up in a "tail wagging the dog" situation.

Basing the SSBN fleet on Hainan meant having closer access to deep water and the Pacific as a whole. It also placed their fleet a LOT closer to foreign Navies which becomes a big problem if your designers and shipyards happily ignore building quiet subs.

Hainan is not the same island as Taiwan and the Philippines are actually closer.

10-04-21, 08:56 AM	#121
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,891 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Your comment about this German frigate "Bayern" made me laugh, it also made me remember this movie with Peter Sellers "The Mouse That Roared" You could also say that the German don't lack self confidence Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

10-04-21, 09:52 AM	#122
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,891 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	So far we have been discussing this from the Taiwan and USA point-of-view. We haven't exactly seen it from the Chinese point-of-view. Why they demand this huge part of the South China Sea. Taiwan is a part of China and have been so for century-So here I have a tiny understanding why they want the island back. I hope they find an agreement like UK and China did with Hong Kong. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

10-04-21, 12:04 PM	#123
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,217 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Why would Taiwan accept any agreement with China? The Chinese never stuck to the agreement they made with the UK regarding Hong Kong. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

10-04-21, 01:04 PM	#125
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,217 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Not strong enough I suspect. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

10-04-21, 03:34 PM	#126
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,501 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	China is not Iraq. Will the US accept the very severe and heavy losses a war with China would cost them to defend Taiwan or the Southchinese Sea? I have extremely serious doubts. Since many years. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-04-21, 04:57 PM	#128
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,501 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	It seems somebody has "mistaken" national air space for ADIZ's. https://www.dw.com/en/chinas-taiwan-...ace/a-59398039 __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-04-21, 05:13 PM	#129
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,891 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Does China recognize Taiwans ADIZ ? The way they are acting it doesn't look like they do. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

10-04-21, 05:17 PM	#130
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,501 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Probably not, the Taiwanese ADIZ covers even parts of the Chinese mainland. A bit crazy an arrangement they have there. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-05-21, 10:54 AM	#133
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,891 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Could be wrong. The only reason to why China hasn't attacked Taiwan already, is because China does not know how USA will act or if they would act at all. This uncertainty is holding China back. On the other hand, these test of the Taiwan defence China makes on daily basis, is also a signal to USA/testing USA response and so far it has only been harsh words from Washington D.C Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

10-05-21, 11:11 AM	#134
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,501 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Its attrition what they are doing, giving the Taiwanese forces no time to get rest, keeping them in constant alertness, while Chinese fighters and pilots can get psychological rest their Taiwanese counterparts cannot. In the end, China has time on its side, the economic and military balances are shifting in its favour, both work against the US and against Taiwan. They keep the pressure up. Lets see how the unfolding economic crash affects their calculations. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.