US Politics Thread 2021-24 - Page 80

3catcircus · 04-28-21, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by em2nought

There is nothing that Trump said which formed my opinion that the 2020 election was stolen. What formed my opinion that the 2020 election was stolen were things that democrats and the media "did".

One had to ask why the AZ dem party are so terrified of the audit going on that they shopped to find an attorney who clerked for the judge to force him to recuse himself.

Skybird · 04-29-21, 06:40 AM

Fact-checking Biden over 7 of his claims.

https://www.bbc.com/news/56901183

Rockstar · 05-01-21, 07:26 PM

Rumor Control Central reporting: Remember Flynn? After reading this I was thinking was he bumped because he was making waves? He was also very close to having the ear of a future president too. Then the Russian collusion story conveniently arises. Setup?

Intel Wars: DIA, CIA and Flynn’s Battle to Consolidate Spying

https://www.defenseone.com/policy/20...-spying/66716/

Skybird · 05-02-21, 02:14 PM

The Neue Zürcher Zeitung writes in an opinion piece:
https://www.nzz.ch/meinung/die-armee...fte-ld.1614652

Infiltrating the army with revolutionary cadres to create unrest and break chains of command - Leon Trotsky and the US armed forces

While the declared dead totalitarian party doctrine of Leninism lives on in China and Russia, Trotsky's methods of revolutionary infiltration also remain effective. For example in the USA, where the armed forces are infiltrated from the right to an astonishing extent.

Leon Trotsky may no longer attract mass following today, but the revolutionary tactics he first pursued are still widely used, and not just by communists or in present-day Russia, where they are referred to as "political technology". One such tactic, called "entryism" - in which members of an extremist group join a more powerful organization, infiltrate it and ultimately bring it under their control and then use it as a political weapon - has supporters among far-right groups in the United States found. Their goal: America's armed forces. -

On January 6, the US got a glimpse of how far this infiltration had progressed. Of the hundreds of ex-President Donald Trump supporters who stormed the Capitol to prevent certification of President Joe Biden's election victory, around 15 percent were former or active soldiers (about 7 percent of adults in the United States are veterans). According to the Washington Post, of the 380 people currently facing indictment in federal courts for violations resulting from these riots, 44 are active or former members of the US armed forces. -

Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin - a retired four-star general and the first African American to head the Pentagon - is now trying to understand the consequences of this finding. Almost immediately after his confirmation in office, Austin ordered a 60-day stand-down for all US armed forces. In other words, practically every unit of the armed forces had to hold a discussion about the proliferation of white suprematists and extremists within the armed forces. -

This process is now complete, and the Pentagon has ordered a number of "immediate changes" including better data collection (to determine the extent of the problem) and an update of instructions for exiting soldiers (to warn them of dangers posed by extremist groups ). A working group has been set up to oversee implementation and chart a course towards immediate and long-term goals. -

But that is only the beginning. As Austin is no doubt aware, rooting out extremism in the US armed forces will be a difficult one. While driving through Maryland's east coast region - a conservative enclave where many retired and active police and military personnel live - I was recently shocked to see that a pro-Trump flag was flying in front of almost every third house. -

Trump is inextricably linked to the witch's brew of white racism, contempt for the rule of law and nationalist authoritarianism that inspires right-wing extremist groups like Proud Boys, Oath Keepers and Three Percenters. These groups stood behind the former president, who communicated with them using hidden racist codes (and sometimes in more explicit ways). -

The evidence of right-wing extremist military entry is not merely anecdotal. In addition to the findings about the storming of the Capitol, more than a third of all active soldiers and more than half of all minority members of the armed forces have examples of white nationalism or displays of racist ideology personally experienced within our own ranks. - Worse still, there is reason to fear that entryism will extend to the very top of the armed forces. Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn - Trump's former national security adviser who was convicted of lying to the FBI (but was then pardoned by Trump) - was among the most prominent voices calling for Biden's election victory to be invalidated. -

More worryingly, Flynn's brother, Lieutenant General Charles Flynn, was present on a central phone call during the storm on the Capitol: Capitol police and Washington officials pleaded with the Pentagon to deploy the National Guard, but senior army officials were reluctant to comply. The army denied Flynn's presence for days. -
It is difficult to overestimate the danger that entryism can pose. When Trotsky developed this tactic, he infiltrated the tsarist army with revolutionary cadres to create unrest and break the chains of command. When the Soviet Union emerged from the Bolshevik Revolution, Trotsky became the founder and leader of the newly created Red Army. -

This was possibly the greatest triumph of entryism, but by no means the only one. As historian Paul Jankowski has shown, discipline within the Japanese armed forces was disintegrated by small, ultra-nationalist cells in the Pacific a decade before the official start of World War II. Many followed the radical Buddhist preacher Nissho Inoue. -

Nissho's organization, called Ketsumeidan (Blood Oath Association), orchestrated the assassinations of Finance Minister Junnosuke Inoue and Mitsui General Manager Dan Takuma in the spring of 1932. The same attack campaign also claimed the lives of Prime Minister Inukai Tsuyoshi and many other ministers and business leaders who were considered insufficiently devoted to Japanese imperialism. The Japanese military began to fake incidents a little later in order to encourage ever deeper incursions into Chinese territory. -

In France, officers who disagreed with the country's withdrawal from Algeria in the late 1950s and early 1960s split the army from within. In 1958, military leaders staged a coup after the French government attempted to negotiate with their main adversary, the Algerian National Liberation Front. To save itself, the Fourth Republic called General Charles de Gaulle (after a twelve-year absence) back to power. De Gaulle promptly replaced the Fourth Republic with one dominated by the executive: today's Fifth Republic. -

Despite de Gaulle's popularity, his efforts to give Algeria independence led to a second rebellion within the military. The Armée Secrète (OAS) organized a nationwide terrorist campaign that nearly succeeded in assassinating de Gaulle. The wounds inflicted on the French armed forces by the OAS took years to heal. -

As far as can be said, the US armed forces are not on the verge of an internal collapse, let alone attempted coup. But before demonstrators entered the building with protective vests, tasers and cable ties, hardly anyone had predicted anything like the storming of the Capitol. If the US is not to be taken by surprise again, its government must act decisively to eradicate extremism within the armed forces. In addition to the measures outlined by the Pentagon, Austin should demand a transparent explanation of why the Army lied about Charles Flynn's participation in the interview with the Capitol police on January 6, and make it public. Flynn currently commands all of the US military in the Pacific. Nobody with extremist connections should hold such an important post. -

by Nina L. Khrushcheva. She is professor of international politics at the New School in New York. She is a granddaughter of the Soviet party leader Nikita Khrushchev.

August · 05-02-21, 07:52 PM

Skybird posting Russian propaganda like it was real.

Moonlight · 05-03-21, 08:23 AM

@Skybird, now that you've given some examples of military extremism and probably a more than liberal dose of some fake news as well, couldn't you just for once post some extremism examples from say the BLM movement.

Or how about any other extremist movements that are infesting the worlds gullible citizens, that should make for a good post, I shall await your next post on this extremism thingie with as much anticipation as I would my next tax demand.

Skybird · 05-06-21, 10:33 AM

As predicted and forseen, the transformation of the once Grand Old Party into the Grand Orange Party is almost completed. And it will never return to the former status.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/06/p...gop/index.html

Skybird · 05-06-21, 10:50 AM

And some news on Bill the Liar Barr. Not that it is surprising. The judge may call it dishonest, politely. I call it by its real name: organised crime, and conspiracy at the state's basic institutional level.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/05/o...nig/index.html

AVGWarhawk · 05-06-21, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

As predicted and forseen, the transformation of the once Grand Old Party into the Grand Orange Party is almost completed. And it will never return to the former status.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/06/p...gop/index.html

Quote:

Biden apparently mystified by GOP turmoil

Amongst other things.

u crank · 05-06-21, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

As predicted and forseen, the transformation of the once Grand Old Party into the Grand Orange Party is almost completed. And it will never return to the former status.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/06/p...gop/index.html

Come on Skybird. Think about it. Imagine for one second that the third ranking member of the Democrat caucus was openly criticizing Joe Biden and publicly calling him a liar. Do you think they would keep their job?

Skybird · 05-06-21, 01:36 PM

What I imagine, and hypothetical speculations and what-ifs, are not relevant.

What is relevant is the obvious facts in the linked article. And the greta wuillingnes sof many peopel to still live in a bubble of self-presc ribed lies and betrayal. And the enormous damage this does to a nation.

mapuc · 05-06-21, 02:04 PM

Is it that bad ? i
If so, what is the solution to these problems

Markus

u crank · 05-06-21, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

What I imagine, and hypothetical speculations and what-ifs, are not relevant.

If your lack of imagination prevents you from seeing the whole picture that's too bad. I'll walk you through it. The Democrats would treat that person the exact same way as Cheney is being treated. Possibly worse. And you should know for certain that if Cheney wasn't a NeverTrumper she would be hated just like all the other Republicans are hated by Democrats and their media allies. That should be more than obvious and require no imagination.

Catfish · 05-07-21, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

Is it that bad ? i
If so, what is the solution to these problems Markus

The situation: Some People are very dumb, from voters to those being voted.

The solution: Maybe.. better education? But that's of course long-term planning, so forget it.

Gorpet · 05-08-21, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August

Skybird posting Russian propaganda like it was real.

He's a very good Stasi officer.And that's just my personal thinking since 2001. When George Bush was the leader of the so called free world. I give him kudos for his post's a lot of them are very good and insightful but that's how good he is.Fast forward to 2021.
The Bird will never be happy with America now he is attacking the new Democrat leader of the free world Uncle Joe Biden -- What the hell? Look the bad orange man is gone and now things will get back to normal. American money will flow back to the politicians in the United Germany and all will be good again.Skybird so in 2121 what do you have to Bitch about America. .

Ok don't get your paintes in a knot i was a sleeper until 2005

04-29-21, 06:40 AM	#1187
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,668 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Fact-checking Biden over 7 of his claims. https://www.bbc.com/news/56901183 __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-01-21, 07:26 PM	#1188
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,971 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Rumor Control Central reporting: Remember Flynn? After reading this I was thinking was he bumped because he was making waves? He was also very close to having the ear of a future president too. Then the Russian collusion story conveniently arises. Setup? Intel Wars: DIA, CIA and Flynn’s Battle to Consolidate Spying https://www.defenseone.com/policy/20...-spying/66716/ __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time. Last edited by Rockstar; 05-01-21 at 07:37 PM.

05-02-21, 02:14 PM	#1189
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,668 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	The Neue Zürcher Zeitung writes in an opinion piece: https://www.nzz.ch/meinung/die-armee...fte-ld.1614652 Infiltrating the army with revolutionary cadres to create unrest and break chains of command - Leon Trotsky and the US armed forces While the declared dead totalitarian party doctrine of Leninism lives on in China and Russia, Trotsky's methods of revolutionary infiltration also remain effective. For example in the USA, where the armed forces are infiltrated from the right to an astonishing extent. Leon Trotsky may no longer attract mass following today, but the revolutionary tactics he first pursued are still widely used, and not just by communists or in present-day Russia, where they are referred to as "political technology". One such tactic, called "entryism" - in which members of an extremist group join a more powerful organization, infiltrate it and ultimately bring it under their control and then use it as a political weapon - has supporters among far-right groups in the United States found. Their goal: America's armed forces. - On January 6, the US got a glimpse of how far this infiltration had progressed. Of the hundreds of ex-President Donald Trump supporters who stormed the Capitol to prevent certification of President Joe Biden's election victory, around 15 percent were former or active soldiers (about 7 percent of adults in the United States are veterans). According to the Washington Post, of the 380 people currently facing indictment in federal courts for violations resulting from these riots, 44 are active or former members of the US armed forces. - Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin - a retired four-star general and the first African American to head the Pentagon - is now trying to understand the consequences of this finding. Almost immediately after his confirmation in office, Austin ordered a 60-day stand-down for all US armed forces. In other words, practically every unit of the armed forces had to hold a discussion about the proliferation of white suprematists and extremists within the armed forces. - This process is now complete, and the Pentagon has ordered a number of "immediate changes" including better data collection (to determine the extent of the problem) and an update of instructions for exiting soldiers (to warn them of dangers posed by extremist groups ). A working group has been set up to oversee implementation and chart a course towards immediate and long-term goals. - But that is only the beginning. As Austin is no doubt aware, rooting out extremism in the US armed forces will be a difficult one. While driving through Maryland's east coast region - a conservative enclave where many retired and active police and military personnel live - I was recently shocked to see that a pro-Trump flag was flying in front of almost every third house. - Trump is inextricably linked to the witch's brew of white racism, contempt for the rule of law and nationalist authoritarianism that inspires right-wing extremist groups like Proud Boys, Oath Keepers and Three Percenters. These groups stood behind the former president, who communicated with them using hidden racist codes (and sometimes in more explicit ways). - The evidence of right-wing extremist military entry is not merely anecdotal. In addition to the findings about the storming of the Capitol, more than a third of all active soldiers and more than half of all minority members of the armed forces have examples of white nationalism or displays of racist ideology personally experienced within our own ranks. - Worse still, there is reason to fear that entryism will extend to the very top of the armed forces. Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn - Trump's former national security adviser who was convicted of lying to the FBI (but was then pardoned by Trump) - was among the most prominent voices calling for Biden's election victory to be invalidated. - More worryingly, Flynn's brother, Lieutenant General Charles Flynn, was present on a central phone call during the storm on the Capitol: Capitol police and Washington officials pleaded with the Pentagon to deploy the National Guard, but senior army officials were reluctant to comply. The army denied Flynn's presence for days. - It is difficult to overestimate the danger that entryism can pose. When Trotsky developed this tactic, he infiltrated the tsarist army with revolutionary cadres to create unrest and break the chains of command. When the Soviet Union emerged from the Bolshevik Revolution, Trotsky became the founder and leader of the newly created Red Army. - This was possibly the greatest triumph of entryism, but by no means the only one. As historian Paul Jankowski has shown, discipline within the Japanese armed forces was disintegrated by small, ultra-nationalist cells in the Pacific a decade before the official start of World War II. Many followed the radical Buddhist preacher Nissho Inoue. - Nissho's organization, called Ketsumeidan (Blood Oath Association), orchestrated the assassinations of Finance Minister Junnosuke Inoue and Mitsui General Manager Dan Takuma in the spring of 1932. The same attack campaign also claimed the lives of Prime Minister Inukai Tsuyoshi and many other ministers and business leaders who were considered insufficiently devoted to Japanese imperialism. The Japanese military began to fake incidents a little later in order to encourage ever deeper incursions into Chinese territory. - In France, officers who disagreed with the country's withdrawal from Algeria in the late 1950s and early 1960s split the army from within. In 1958, military leaders staged a coup after the French government attempted to negotiate with their main adversary, the Algerian National Liberation Front. To save itself, the Fourth Republic called General Charles de Gaulle (after a twelve-year absence) back to power. De Gaulle promptly replaced the Fourth Republic with one dominated by the executive: today's Fifth Republic. - Despite de Gaulle's popularity, his efforts to give Algeria independence led to a second rebellion within the military. The Armée Secrète (OAS) organized a nationwide terrorist campaign that nearly succeeded in assassinating de Gaulle. The wounds inflicted on the French armed forces by the OAS took years to heal. - As far as can be said, the US armed forces are not on the verge of an internal collapse, let alone attempted coup. But before demonstrators entered the building with protective vests, tasers and cable ties, hardly anyone had predicted anything like the storming of the Capitol. If the US is not to be taken by surprise again, its government must act decisively to eradicate extremism within the armed forces. In addition to the measures outlined by the Pentagon, Austin should demand a transparent explanation of why the Army lied about Charles Flynn's participation in the interview with the Capitol police on January 6, and make it public. Flynn currently commands all of the US military in the Pacific. Nobody with extremist connections should hold such an important post. - by Nina L. Khrushcheva. She is professor of international politics at the New School in New York. She is a granddaughter of the Soviet party leader Nikita Khrushchev. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-02-21, 07:52 PM	#1190
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 22,729 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Skybird posting Russian propaganda like it was real. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

05-03-21, 08:23 AM	#1191
Moonlight Admiral Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Fookhall Copse Posts: 2,159 Downloads: 184 Uploads: 0	@Skybird, now that you've given some examples of military extremism and probably a more than liberal dose of some fake news as well, couldn't you just for once post some extremism examples from say the BLM movement. Or how about any other extremist movements that are infesting the worlds gullible citizens, that should make for a good post, I shall await your next post on this extremism thingie with as much anticipation as I would my next tax demand. __________________

05-06-21, 10:33 AM	#1192
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,668 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	As predicted and forseen, the transformation of the once Grand Old Party into the Grand Orange Party is almost completed. And it will never return to the former status. https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/06/p...gop/index.html __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-06-21, 10:50 AM	#1193
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,668 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	And some news on Bill the Liar Barr. Not that it is surprising. The judge may call it dishonest, politely. I call it by its real name: organised crime, and conspiracy at the state's basic institutional level. https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/05/o...nig/index.html __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-06-21, 01:36 PM	#1196
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,668 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	What I imagine, and hypothetical speculations and what-ifs, are not relevant. What is relevant is the obvious facts in the linked article. And the greta wuillingnes sof many peopel to still live in a bubble of self-presc ribed lies and betrayal. And the enormous damage this does to a nation. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-06-21, 02:04 PM	#1197
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 18,166 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Is it that bad ? i If so, what is the solution to these problems Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat