Here we go again-Ukraine once again - Page 785

tonschk · 07-08-23, 06:10 PM

Really?. So far I know President Putin want to achieve Denazification of the current ukraine Nazi dictatorial regime, Just curiosity where you got such disinformation with credible links?

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Russia has clearly said it wants the Ukraine to stop to exist as a state and as an ethnic group and culture, which proves the intention for announced genocide.

Rockstar · 07-08-23, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tonschk

Really?. So far I know President Putin want to achieve Denazification of the current ukraine Nazi dictatorial regime, Just curiosity where you got such disinformation with credible links?

Dude, all you have to do is read or listen to Russian State news outlets.

tonschk · 07-08-23, 06:46 PM

Like this ? https://www.newsweek.com/russia-not-...pinion-1807046

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

Dude, all you have to do is read or listen to Russian State news outlets.

Rockstar · 07-08-23, 07:37 PM

What do you mean, “like this”? I read the article, but since you brought it up and linked it. Do me a favor and tell me what your understanding of it is.

Jimbuna · 07-09-23, 05:22 AM

Skybird · 07-09-23, 05:39 AM

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66113460

Jimbuna · 07-09-23, 05:42 AM

Skybird · 07-09-23, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

No surprise. As I often said, Paris and Berlin do not want Ukraine in NATO due to their fears to loose influence themselves when balance of power shifts to Warsaw and Kyiv. The germans also do not want to confront Russia too, due to fears. That beside Germany also America is hesitent to give them membership, is logical if you remmeber that American and German companies are the two leading actors who sitll do busines sin Russia and generate profound proft for themsleves - and tax revenue for Russia to feed its war. And we do not talk about energy and ore, but consumer products.

Ukriane ahs been given guarasntees two times before, and both times it got betrayed on them. Espoecially German guarantees are worth brown stuff since Germany is unable to fulfill any such obilgations in case of conflict due to its laughable military. An additional standing heavy division for NATO until 2027 - will not happen. A heavy brigade fully deployed in Lithuania - forget it.

Many in the German SPD still have not understood that their long-lastign love affair with the Sovjet Union and later Russia, is done. Many in there still deny it. And private business in significant part ignores it anyway. "Wandel durch Handel" (change by trade) is an old SPD motto, but it is wrong and always was wrong, it collapsed regarding Russia, and regarding China. It simply is foolish emotional nonsense. Trade has long served China to force change in Europe in China's favor.

Skybird · 07-09-23, 06:01 AM

https://www.dw.com/en/how-prepared-i...video-66150792

Sind wir eigentlich alle völlig vertrottelt in Europa ?

Jimbuna · 07-09-23, 06:07 AM

tonschk · 07-09-23, 07:58 AM

THE US TAXPAYER MONEY GOES DOWN THE DRAIN IN UKRAINE

https://www.bitchute.com/video/J2weDcTxhx8e/

tonschk · 07-09-23, 08:04 AM

NATO'S TERRORISTS NAZI PLANS ARE CRUMBLING! RUSSIA MANAGE TO DESTROY A WAREHOUSE WITH BRITISH 'CHALLENGER' TANKS IN LVIV!

https://www.bitchute.com/video/VZ2skqRxRrU3/

Jimbuna · 07-09-23, 08:40 AM

Skybird · 07-09-23, 03:24 PM

Putin apparently has sowed off Gerasimov. Concession to Prigozhin?

Bilge_Rat · 07-09-23, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDef

You may see it that way, but NATO is is really nothing more than a mutual defensive agreement between member states when threatened by non-member states. Neither Ukraine or Russia are member states.

There are really only 2 "nevers" when fighting a war, Never deliberately target civilians and never use NBC (nuclear, biological, chemical) munitions.
Doing so makes you an instant pariah in the eyes of the world.

That is not really the issue, Cluster Munitions are either a legitimate weapon of war or they are not.

If NATO members who signed the Convention believe these weapons should be illegal, they should state their position clearly and make it clear that they disagree with the decision to give Cluster Munitions to Ukraine and do everything they can to block the transfer as required by the Convention.

If on the other hand, they now think DPICM are legitimate weapons, they should have the courage to say they made a mistake, withdraw from the Convention and say they reserve the right to use Cluster Munitions in the future depending on the situation.

Right now, you have the situation where NATO members who signed the Convention are saying they still abide by the terms of the Convention, but "nod, nod, wink, wink", we won't protest too much if they are supplied to Ukraine as long as we don't have to get our hands dirty, because it is a popular political position.

In other words, the West wants to hold the moral high ground of saying Cluster Munitions should be illegal, but still be able to give them out to "Friendly Regimes" whenever they want....

...as I said previously, it is the height of hypocrisy....but what else would you expect from Western politicians.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,632 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Putin apparently has sowed off Gerasimov. Concession to Prigozhin? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.