Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Dargo

North of Bakhmut, Ukraine, has reversed about 2.5 months worth of Russian advances.

And they did this in less than 24 hrs.

I say the Russians should do some work out, so they can run fast backwards

Markus

[Skybird]

As the Tagesspiegel reports, defence contractor Rheinmetall is to become Ukraine's central local equipment supplier. To this end, the company has founded a joint venture with Ukrainian state-owned Ukroboronprom, as the DAX-listed group announced on Friday. "It is a central concern for us at Rheinmetall to support our Ukrainian partners in the fight for freedom and democracy and to meet their urgent needs as quickly as possible," explained CEO Armin Papperger.

The cooperation includes the maintenance and repair of armoured vehicles in Ukraine, and in parallel the construction of tanks is being prepared, the group explained. Ukroboronprom General Director Yuriy Husyev explained: "Despite numerous Russian missile attacks, Ukroboronprom was still able to increase the production of military equipment and armoured vehicles. Together with Rheinmetall at our side, we will be able to achieve even more for our country."

In the new company, Rheinmetall will hold a majority stake of 51 per cent and will also take over the entrepreneurial leadership. The management will come from Rheinmetall. With the cooperation, Rheinmetall will become one of the most important partners of the Ukrainian defence industry, it said.


As I understand it, the German government still has to allow the tank-building by RM in Ukraine. It could then be the first location where the new KF 51 Panther MBT will be build. The new KF 31 and KF 41 IFV Lynx (not to mistake with the older APC of same name, the new is a platform family that can even mount 120mm gun turrets) also is an option for production in the Ukraine.

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As frightening as it must be to actually be there I still find it quite fascinating.

[Skybird]

I'm split on that video. Those T-72s were lucky that the Russians appartently had only one AT weapon left, and missed with it. I would hate to go with an MBT into close range fighting against infantry like that.

If they do like this with Leopards or Challengers against better armed troops, they will start loosing them. Even an older RPG version can take out a Leopard 2A7, if well-aimed.

Maybe the Ukrainians knew about the weapon status of the Russians in that position.

[Jimbuna]

^ Yeah, something along those lines. I'd of thought infantry backed up by the tanks guns would have been better suited to the task.

[Skybird]

The NZZ reports that Germany is putting together another arms package for Ukraine. In the coming weeks and months, the country is to receive weapons worth around 2.7 billion euros. This is the largest delivery Berlin has provided since Russia's invasion.


The list would include another 20 Marder infantry fighting vehicles, 30 Leopard-1 tanks, 15 Gepard anti-aircraft tanks, 200 reconnaissance drones, four Iris-T anti-aircraft systems, as well as ammunition and vehicles, the defense ministry said in Berlin on Saturday.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

^ Yeah, something along those lines. I'd of thought infantry backed up by the tanks guns would have been better suited to the task.

Yes, the infantry'S job would have been to keep the tanks out of such kind of situations. But we do not know all variables defining the battle shown, and the events leading to it.


The Turks lost several Leopard-2A4s because right this: commanders sent their tanks unprotected by own infantry against enemy fighters with RPGs. The reported losses vary according to the source you pick and the Turks themselves are naturally a bit shy on commenting on their failure, I read numbers between one and two dozen tanks lost.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

The NZZ reports that Germany is putting together another arms package for Ukraine. In the coming weeks and months, the country is to receive weapons worth around 2.7 billion euros. This is the largest delivery Berlin has provided since Russia's invasion.


The list would include another 20 Marder infantry fighting vehicles, 30 Leopard-1 tanks, 15 Gepard anti-aircraft tanks, 200 reconnaissance drones, four Iris-T anti-aircraft systems, as well as ammunition and vehicles, the defense ministry said in Berlin on Saturday.

Yes, it is being reported the weapons will come from industrial stocks and industrial production but that begs the question why are the German stock levels so low for their own forces?

[mapuc]

Heard in today's Update from Ukraine.

- Russian run faster than Wagner.

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Yes, it is being reported the weapons will come from industrial stocks and industrial production but that begs the question why are the German stock levels so low for their own forces?

Because we are everybody's darling and nobody wants to attack us anyway, so we just saved the money. Further, its better having nothing than having something that is not good enough for us.
The Gepards have been phase dout years ago already. The Marders have been replaced by Pumas, there is not enough troops to man the whole fleet of IFVs anyway and the Marder is old, the Pumsa on te other too expensive: despite Babble-Olaf'S Zeitenwende the number of to be aquired Pumas has just been halved again from further 100 to now 50. The Isis system is not even in service with the German forces, must be build just for Ukraine.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Because we are everybody's darling and nobody wants to attack us anyway, so we just saved the money. Further, its better having nothing than having something that is not good enough for us.
The Gepards have been phase dout years ago already. The Marders have been replaced by Pumas, there is not enough troops to man the whole fleet of IFVs anyway and the Marder is old, the Pumsa on te other too expensive: despite Babble-Olaf'S Zeitenwende the number of to be aquired Pumas has just been halved again from further 100 to now 50. The Isis system is not even in service with the German forces, must be build just for Ukraine.

It all sounds like a right mess

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