Here we go again-Ukraine once again - Page 686

Skybird · 03-10-23, 10:41 AM

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Jimbuna · 03-10-23, 01:47 PM

Jimbuna · 03-10-23, 02:08 PM

Skybird · 03-11-23, 06:35 AM

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According to Ukrainian intelligence, the Russian mega-corporation Gazprom is planning to build its own army. This is not the first time that the company has interfered in domestic and foreign affairs. The fact is that Gazprom and the Kremlin have been profiting from each other for years.

The energy giant Gazprom is apparently planning to build its own private volunteer army along the lines of Yevgeny Prigozhin's "Wagner Group" mercenary force. The Ukrainian intelligence service published a document to this effect on Twitter, which is said to substantiate the plans.

It also reveals that Gazprom is to supply Nef with 70 percent of the start-up capital, with the remaining shares to come from the private security firm Staff Centre. The decree is said to have already been signed by Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin, according to Ukraine's intelligence service.

Researchers at the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) have also received information on the creation of such a private army. According to ISW, recruiters of the volunteer army are already in Donetsk, offering willing mercenaries a wage of 400,000 rubles, about 5,000 euros. Additional compensation is said to be available depending on the mission. This, he said, is about twice the salary earned by a mercenary in the "Wagner Group." Thus, Gazprom's blue army would be a direct competitor for Prigozhin's mercenaries.
Gazprom has long been involved in politics

Gazprom itself is one of the Russian companies most affected by the war of aggression against Ukraine. Imports of coal, oil, and gas have been gradually sanctioned by Western countries since the war began. Similarly, several gas storage facilities in the EU have been forcibly nationalized.

However, as the world's largest producer of natural gas and one of the largest state-owned companies, Gazprom remains a major player in Russian politics. The company's close ties to the Russian government and President Vladimir Putin are well documented. Alexei Miller, head of the gas giant, in particular, is considered Putin's personal henchman.

Gazprom has been used repeatedly in the past as an instrument of Russian foreign policy, particularly in its relations with Ukraine and Europe. The company has been repeatedly accused of using its control over natural gas supplies as a political weapon and of playing a key role in the annexation of Crimea in 2014. The company was primarily interested in oil and gas reserves on the peninsula.

But Gazprom has also been able to shape the political landscape internally. In 2001, for example, the corporation took over Russia's most important independent television station, NTW. The rationale: The station had not paid its debts to Gazprom on time. NTW had previously always taken a critical view of Russian politics. After the takeover, all criticism fell silent.

Even after the Russian war of aggression on Ukraine, Gazprom and the Kremlin continue to cooperate. For example, on February 6, Gazprom was empowered to establish its own security company to protect Russian energy infrastructure from attack. ISW reports that the cooperation was related to the Kremlin's efforts to reduce Russia's dependence on Prigozhin's "Wagner Group."

However, exactly how Gazprom's volunteer army will be deployed and how far its influence will extend remains unclear at the moment. So far, the corporation has not officially commented on the creation of its own army.
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According to intel from the Baltic states, Russia is prepared and capable of waging the war for at least two more years.

Let's talk about Western public's compliance with support to the Ukraine for two more years...

And with the follow-on costs after that war one day has ended...

The policy of the West is such that it allows this extension of the war by shying away from enabling Ukraine to kick much harder and thus throwing the Russians out - which would be the precidintion to shorten the war. The other way to shorten the war would be submission.

Two more years of this war mean also this: even if - a big "if" that is - the Ukraine succeeds and the Russians pull out one day, the Ukraine nevertheless looses. Because then much of it will be destroyed.

Those Western politicians being so endlessly concerned and cautious - acchieve exactly the opposite of what they claim they want to achieve by their concerns and caution. They are feeding a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Dowly · 03-11-23, 07:57 AM

In case someone has read about it, our PM flashed the idea of Finland giving old F/A-18C Hornets to Ukraine during her recent visit there.

This idea is wholly her own, the President made a statement about it saying there has been no such talks.

Jimbuna · 03-11-23, 02:05 PM

Jimbuna · 03-11-23, 02:10 PM

Catfish · 03-11-23, 04:16 PM

+1 for Claude Juncker

Rockstar · 03-11-23, 04:24 PM

^

Jimbuna · 03-12-23, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

+1 for Claude Juncker

I doubt there'll ever be another like him

Jimbuna · 03-12-23, 07:12 AM

Skybird · 03-12-23, 07:29 AM

Russia has indirectly threatened Georgia with war. The Kremlin warns the country of a situation similar to the Maidan uprising that occurred in Ukraine in 2014. Thus, if citizens overthrow their government, there could be a declaration of war.

"The protests against the law on 'foreign agents' that have erupted in Tbilisi are leading to calls for the resignation of the government. We recommend the Georgian people to remember a similar situation in Ukraine in 2014 and what it eventually led to!" the Kremlin representation in Crimea tweeted back on March 10.

Protests against “foreign agents" bill, erupted in #Tbilisi🇬🇪, result in demands for the resignation of the government. We recommend to the georgian people to recall a similar situation in Ukraine🇺🇦 in 2014 and what it finally led to!#ThinkTwice pic.twitter.com/Ju5Y3p8pwh
— Russia's MFA in Crimea🇷🇺 (@PMSimferopol) March 10, 2023

mapuc · 03-12-23, 10:41 AM

LOL Leader of the Wagner-group wants to be President of Ukraine.

Must be the Joke of the year.

Quote:

Head of the Wagner paramilitary group Yevgeny Prigozhin said on Saturday that he intends to run for president of Ukraine in 2024.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/politics/he...kraine/2843138

Markus

Catfish · 03-12-23, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

LOL Leader of the Wagner-group wants to be President of Ukraine. [...]

Lets's see whether he does not fall out of a window in Moscow first!

Catfish · 03-12-23, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Russia has indirectly threatened Georgia with war. The Kremlin warns the country of a situation similar to the Maidan uprising that occurred in Ukraine in 2014. Thus, if citizens overthrow their government, there could be a declaration of war.

"The protests against the law on 'foreign agents' that have erupted in Tbilisi are leading to calls for the resignation of the government. We recommend the Georgian people to remember a similar situation in Ukraine in 2014 and what it eventually led to!" the Kremlin representation in Crimea tweeted back on March 10.

Lmao! An unashamed threat – seems there never was a better reason to join NATO.
When Georgia and other former soviet countries wanted to become members of NATO some time ago it was France and Germany that placed a veto, to make Russia feel secure.

The uprising in Kyyiv in 2013/14 was a deeply democratic process, all wanted the corruption and russian puppet Yanukovych to go, and they succeeded!
91 percent of the whole of Ukraine were for an independent state, in the Donbas it were 79 percent! They were not hating russians, they wanted to be independent, and free to decide.
It had nothing to do with the US trying to get influence, they were and (are!) just tired to be the playball of other nations.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,651 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	FOCUS: --------------- According to Ukrainian intelligence, the Russian mega-corporation Gazprom is planning to build its own army. This is not the first time that the company has interfered in domestic and foreign affairs. The fact is that Gazprom and the Kremlin have been profiting from each other for years. The energy giant Gazprom is apparently planning to build its own private volunteer army along the lines of Yevgeny Prigozhin's "Wagner Group" mercenary force. The Ukrainian intelligence service published a document to this effect on Twitter, which is said to substantiate the plans. It also reveals that Gazprom is to supply Nef with 70 percent of the start-up capital, with the remaining shares to come from the private security firm Staff Centre. The decree is said to have already been signed by Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin, according to Ukraine's intelligence service. Researchers at the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) have also received information on the creation of such a private army. According to ISW, recruiters of the volunteer army are already in Donetsk, offering willing mercenaries a wage of 400,000 rubles, about 5,000 euros. Additional compensation is said to be available depending on the mission. This, he said, is about twice the salary earned by a mercenary in the "Wagner Group." Thus, Gazprom's blue army would be a direct competitor for Prigozhin's mercenaries. Gazprom has long been involved in politics Gazprom itself is one of the Russian companies most affected by the war of aggression against Ukraine. Imports of coal, oil, and gas have been gradually sanctioned by Western countries since the war began. Similarly, several gas storage facilities in the EU have been forcibly nationalized. However, as the world's largest producer of natural gas and one of the largest state-owned companies, Gazprom remains a major player in Russian politics. The company's close ties to the Russian government and President Vladimir Putin are well documented. Alexei Miller, head of the gas giant, in particular, is considered Putin's personal henchman. Gazprom has been used repeatedly in the past as an instrument of Russian foreign policy, particularly in its relations with Ukraine and Europe. The company has been repeatedly accused of using its control over natural gas supplies as a political weapon and of playing a key role in the annexation of Crimea in 2014. The company was primarily interested in oil and gas reserves on the peninsula. But Gazprom has also been able to shape the political landscape internally. In 2001, for example, the corporation took over Russia's most important independent television station, NTW. The rationale: The station had not paid its debts to Gazprom on time. NTW had previously always taken a critical view of Russian politics. After the takeover, all criticism fell silent. Even after the Russian war of aggression on Ukraine, Gazprom and the Kremlin continue to cooperate. For example, on February 6, Gazprom was empowered to establish its own security company to protect Russian energy infrastructure from attack. ISW reports that the cooperation was related to the Kremlin's efforts to reduce Russia's dependence on Prigozhin's "Wagner Group." However, exactly how Gazprom's volunteer army will be deployed and how far its influence will extend remains unclear at the moment. So far, the corporation has not officially commented on the creation of its own army. ---------------------------- According to intel from the Baltic states, Russia is prepared and capable of waging the war for at least two more years. Let's talk about Western public's compliance with support to the Ukraine for two more years... And with the follow-on costs after that war one day has ended... The policy of the West is such that it allows this extension of the war by shying away from enabling Ukraine to kick much harder and thus throwing the Russians out - which would be the precidintion to shorten the war. The other way to shorten the war would be submission. Two more years of this war mean also this: even if - a big "if" that is - the Ukraine succeeds and the Russians pull out one day, the Ukraine nevertheless looses. Because then much of it will be destroyed. Those Western politicians being so endlessly concerned and cautious - acchieve exactly the opposite of what they claim they want to achieve by their concerns and caution. They are feeding a self-fulfilling prophecy. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,005 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	In case someone has read about it, our PM flashed the idea of Finland giving old F/A-18C Hornets to Ukraine during her recent visit there. This idea is wholly her own, the President made a statement about it saying there has been no such talks.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,651 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Russia has indirectly threatened Georgia with war. The Kremlin warns the country of a situation similar to the Maidan uprising that occurred in Ukraine in 2014. Thus, if citizens overthrow their government, there could be a declaration of war. "The protests against the law on 'foreign agents' that have erupted in Tbilisi are leading to calls for the resignation of the government. We recommend the Georgian people to remember a similar situation in Ukraine in 2014 and what it eventually led to!" the Kremlin representation in Crimea tweeted back on March 10. Protests against “foreign agents" bill, erupted in #Tbilisi🇬🇪, result in demands for the resignation of the government. We recommend to the georgian people to recall a similar situation in Ukraine🇺🇦 in 2014 and what it finally led to!#ThinkTwice pic.twitter.com/Ju5Y3p8pwh — Russia's MFA in Crimea🇷🇺 (@PMSimferopol) March 10, 2023 __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.