US Politics Thread 2021-24

[mapuc]

I do understand why Trump has rejected the invitation from CNN. CNN is pure Democrat supporters. It would be like last time these two met on ABC, but worse, this I'm convince of. In fact he said it was to late-However I think he know CNN is 110 % pro-Democrat and this is the real reason he have said no.

An expert on US-Politics say Trump will change his mind regarding the invitation when we approach the day 23 of Okt. Let see if he's correct.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I do understand why Trump has rejected the invitation from CNN. CNN is pure Democrat supporters. It would be like last time these two met on ABC, but worse, this I'm convince of. In fact he said it was to late-However I think he know CNN is 110 % pro-Democrat and this is the real reason he have said no.

An expert on US-Politics say Trump will change his mind regarding the invitation when we approach the day 23 of Okt. Let see if he's correct.

Markus

CNN is the worst of the bunch IMO. Fair and balanced you will not find at a CNN debate. Trump would like FOX. But all the same, FOX will not be fair and balanced either. Maybe a town hall like Obama and McCain. A participant can blurt out Trump is Hitler as millions watch. Kind of like the world hearing blurted out Obama is Muslim. Whatever the case I can't wait to hear what town is now eating the local pets.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

CNN is the worst of the bunch IMO. Fair and balanced you will not find at a CNN debate. Trump would like FOX. But all the same, FOX will not be fair and balanced either. Maybe a town hall like Obama and McCain. A participant can blurt out Trump is Hitler as millions watch. Kind of like the world hearing blurted out Obama is Muslim. Whatever the case I can't wait to hear what town is now eating the local pets.

Does a fair and balance news agency, when it comes to Trump, exist ? Yes there is Fox, but they are 110 % pro-Trump.

It seems like Trump is the guy who shall be disliked and Harris the one who shall be worshipped. This is what I get by hearing and reading the news from USA.

Markus

[Buddahaid]

There's been an Amicus Brief filed 9-18-2024 to the 11th Circuit Court by many Republicans calling for the removal of Aileen Cannon from the Mar-a-Lago documents case.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...87822.34.0.pdf

"STATEMENT OF INTEREST OF AMICI CURIAE1
Amici are former prosecutors, elected officials, other government
officials, constitutional lawyers, and a non-profit organization who have
collectively spent decades defending the Constitution, the interests of
the American people, and the rule of law. As such, amici have an
interest in the proper scope of executive power and the faithful
enforcement of criminal laws enacted by Congress. Pursuant to Federal
Rule of Appellate Procedure 29 and Eleventh Circuit Rules 29-1 and 29-
2, amici respectfully submit this brief to reinforce why the appointment
of the Special Counsel is consistent with the Appointments Clause of
the Constitution and the statutes Congress has enacted pursuant to
that constitutional provision. Accordingly, the Court should reject
Defendant Donald J. Trump’s contention that the appointment of
Special Counsel John “Jack” Smith is unlawful and reverse the decision
below."

Recognize any names here?

"hereby certifies that the following is a list of persons and entities who

have an interest in the outcome of this case:

1. Advance Publications, Inc.

2. Alonso, Cristina

3. America First Legal Foundation

4. American Broadcasting Companies, Inc., d/b/a ABC News

5. Ayer, Donald

6. Blackman, Joshua

7. Blanche, Todd

8. Bloomberg, L.P.

9. Bove, Emil

10. Bowman, Chad

11. Bratt, Jay

12. Cable News Network, Inc.

13. Calabresi, Steven

14. Caldera, Louis

15. Cannon, Hon. Aileen

16. Cate, Matthew

17. CBS Broadcasting, Inc. o/b/o CBS News



C-2
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18. Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington

19. Citizens United

20. Citizens United Foundation

21. CMG Media Corporation

22. Coleman, Tom

23. Conway, George

24. Cooney, J.P.

25. Cox Enterprises, Inc. (COX) d/b/a The Atlanta Journal-

Constitution

26. Dadan, Sasha

27. De Oliveira, Carlos

28. Dow Jones & Company, Inc., publisher of The Wall Street

Journal

29. Dreeben, Michael

30. Edelstein, Julie

31. Fields, Lazaro

32. Fitzgerald, Patrick

33. Fort Myers Broadcasting Company

34. Gerson, Stuart



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35. Gertner, Nancy

36. Gillers, Stephen

37. Goodman, Hon. Jonathan

38. Gray Media Group, Inc. (GTN)

39. Guardian News & Media Limited

40. Harbach, David

41. Hirsch, Steven A.

42. Hulser, Raymond

43. Insider, Inc.

44. Irving, John

45. Kise, Christopher

46. Lacovara, Philip Allen

47. Landmark Legal Foundation

48. Lawson, Gary

49. Los Angeles Times Communications LLC, publisher of The

Los Angeles Times

50. Maynard, Hon. Shaniek Mills

51. McKay, John

52. McNamara, Anne



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53. Meese, Edwin

54. Mishkin, Maxwell

55. Mukasey, Hon. Michael B.

56. Murrell, Larry Donald

57. National Cable Satellite Corporation d/b/a C-SPAN

58. National Public Radio, Inc.

59. Nauta, Waltine

60. NBCUniversal Media, LLC d/b/a NBC News, a subsidiary of

Comcast Corporation (CMCSA)

61. Orlando Sentinel Media Group, publisher of the Orlando

Sentinel

62. Pearce, James

63. Pellettieri, John

64. POLITICO LLC

65. Potter, Trevor

66. Radio Television Digital News Association

67. Raul, Alan Charles

68. Reinhart, Hon. Bruce E.

69. Reuters News & Media, Inc.



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70. Russell, Lauren

71. Salario, Samuel

72. Sample, James J.

73. Sasso, Michael

74. Schaerr, Gene

75. Seligman, Matthew

76. Smith, Abbe

77. Smith, Fern

78. Smith, Jack

79. State Democracy Defenders Action

80. Sun-Sentinel Company, LLC, publisher of the South Florida

Sun Sentinel

81. TEGNA, Inc. (TGNA)

82. Telemundo Network Group, LLC d/b/a Noticias Telemundo

83. Thakur, Michael

84. The Associated Press

85. The E.W. Scripps Company (SSP)

86. The McClatchy Company, LLC (MNI) d/b/a the Miami

Herald



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87. The New York Times Company (NYT)

88. The Palm Beach Post and USA TODAY, publications

operated by subsidiaries of Gannett Co., Inc. (GCI)

89. Thompson, Larry

90. Tillman, Seth Barrett

91. Tobin, Charles

92. Torres, Hon. Edwin

93. Trent, Edward H.

94. Tribe, Laurence

95. Troye, Olivia

96. Trump, Donald J.

97. Trusty, James

98. Twardy, Stanley

99. United States of America

100. Univision Networks & Studios, Inc.

101. VanDevender, Cecil

102. Weiss, Stephen

103. Weld, William

104. Wharton, Kendra



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105. Whitman, Christine Todd

106. Woodward, Stanley

107. WP Company LLC d/b/a The Washington Post

108. WPLG, Inc.



Respectfully submitted,

Dated: September 3, 2024



/s/Matthew A. Seligman
MATTHEW A. SELIGMAN
Counsel of Record
STRIS & MAHER LLP
777 S Figueroa St., Suite 3850
Los Angeles, CA 90017
(213) 995-6873
mseligman@stris.com

Counsel for Amici"

[Rockstar]

DOJ just published a "legacy token" letter from would-be Trump assassin offering $150k to anyone who would "complete the job" despite FBI policy prohibiting such releases.

https://tennesseestar.com/justice/do...rt/2024/09/23/

A note purportedly written by Ryan Wesley Routh, who is accused of attempting to assassinate former President Donald Trump on September 15, was released on Monday by the Department of Justice (DOJ) in a public court filing.

According to the court filing, Routh asked an associate to keep a box of his belongings. After the attack, the associate opened the box and discovered the letter, wherein prosecutors claim Routh confirmed his intent to assassinate Trump and offered a $150,000 bounty should someone prove successful.

The letter was released publicly in this manner despite the FBI, which is the primary investigative branch of the DOJ, previously “strongly” advising Metro Nashville Police Department (MNPD) against the release of “legacy tokens” left by Covenant School killer Audrey Elizabeth Hale, who was a biological woman but identified as a transgender man during the attack where she claimed the lives of six.

The Tennessee Star obtained a portion of MNPD documents related to the Covenant investigation earlier this year, including a May 11, 2023 FBI memo to MNPD that referenced “legacy tokens” and warned their release could lead to unintended consequences.

“Mass shootings have been occurring with alarming frequency over the past few decades,” the agency stated. “Offenders of these attacks often leave behind items to claim credit for the attack and / or articulate the motivation behind it.”

The FBI stated in the memo that the agency, “opines that responsible authorities need to take every measure possible” to keep future offenders from accessing legacy tokens.

According to the FBI, allowing the spread of legacy tokens “will contribute to future attacks,” because would-be copycat attackers “will immerse themselves in and study these materials for inspection and tactics,” while “the dispersion of legacy tokens through the media will only further the infamous and notorious goals of the offender, ironically commissioned by the very entities tasked with thwarting these attacks.”

The memo also warned legacy tokens seldom offer an explanation about why a person committed specific acts, and could instead “further permeate the false narrative that the majority of attackers are mentally ill.”

It is also the opinion of the FBI, according to its May 2023 memo, that releasing legacy tokens allows inexperienced or uneducated pundits to provide erroneous commentary.

“Public access to legacy tokens will also facilitate false narratives and inaccurate information,” the agency stated in its memo. “For personal gain, self-professed ‘experts’ will proffer their perspectives on the motivations behind the attack. Many of these pontificators will be inexperienced or untrained, and therefore inaccurate in their assessment, further confusing or potentially inflaming the public.”

The FBI claimed such commentary after a public release “may also lead to unintended consequences for the segment of the population more vulnerable or open to conspiracy theories, which will undoubtedly abound.”

The Star contacted the DOJ to ask whether the guidance expressed in the FBI memo applies to Routh, as law enforcement claims U.S. Secret Service spotted his rifle before he was able to commit any type of attack, whether Routh left other legacy tokens, if the agency is concerned about copycat attacks, and about the agency’s motivation for releasing the letter, but did not receive an immediate response.

Similarly, The Star did not receive an immediate response from the FBI after asking the agency whether the guidance expressed in its legacy tokens memo applies when criminal plots are foiled by law enforcement, whether the DOJ was aware of the FBI guidance, and if the agency has changed its handling legacy tokens since May 2023.

The FBI previously confirmed to The Star that it sends materials like the memo to local law enforcement, but declined to confirm it sent the legacy tokens memo in May 2023.

Conservatives have questioned the decision by the DOJ to include the letter in its court filing, with the president’s eldest son leading the criticism in a post to the social media platform X.

Donald Trump Jr. questioned, “Why is Kamala’s DOJ publicizing Ryan Wesley Routh putting a bounty on my dad’s head???”

He added, “DOJ releasing this in a week but not the trans killer manifesto for months isn’t signaling anything.”

Matt Walsh, a pundit and host for The Daily Wire, also compared the federal government’s handling of Routh’s letter to its response to the multiple requests to release the thousands of pages left by Hale.

“They didn’t release the Covenant shooter manifesto because they were allegedly afraid it would inspire more shootings.” Walsh noted, “And yet within a week they release a letter from Trump’s would-be assassin where he openly encourages more shootings and offers to pay for them.”

In a statement posted to Truth Social, the former president stated, “The Kamala Harris/Joe Biden Department of Justice and FBI are mishandling and downplaying the second attempt on my life since July,” and called for Florida to lead the investigation.

Both Star News Digital Media, Inc. (SNDM), which owns and operates The Star, and editor-in-chief Michael Patrick Leahy, are among the plaintiffs who launched a federal lawsuit seeking to compel the FBI to release Hale’s writings. The lawsuit remains ongoing.

Leahy and SNDM similarly sued MNPD in Tennessee to compel the release of Hale’s writings, but Chancery Court Judge I’Ashea L. Myles ruled issued a ruling on July 4 that declined to release any of the pages, citing the copyright claims of the Covenant Children’s Trust.

SNDM and Leahy have announced their intent to appeal the decision, and Leahy expressed confidence he will win in a higher court.

Earlier this month, The Star published the complete journal left by Hale in her vehicle prior to the attack, which it obtained in June from a source familiar with the Covenant investigation.

Over 700 national security and military officials endorsed Kamala Harris for president last Sunday. I guess we now know for sure who’s running the country