Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Andreas86]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Sweden as a part of the JEF alliance I don't know what they contribute with.

Their track record is not good. In WW2 they aided the German occupation of Norway by allowing them transit on land up to our southern border. Germany were also allowed a free route through Sweden during the occupation years.

But if they still have some of Charles the XIIs spirit in them, they might just hold Gotland.

[mapuc]

Putin has been planning this for month-What else has he made up in his mind ?

Markus

[Rockstar]

This was Kyiv Mayor Vitaliy Klitschko address around 2100 Kyiv time it’s now 0232 there. ( I think )

https://kyivcity.gov.ua/news/vitaliy...av_teroboroni/

Friends! Dear Kyivans, Ukrainians!

I inform you about the situation in Kyiv and the actions of the city authorities. Which we carry out in coordination with public authorities, the Armed Forces, law enforcement.

Today Ukraine is under fire from the aggressor. The dictator's impunity and fierce hatred resulted in a war in central Europe.

Bloody attacks by the aggressor continue in many regions of Ukraine. Our soldiers who heroically defend our land are dying. Peaceful people are dying.

They are trying to literally destroy our state. But no one will give up!

In Kyiv, we are doing everything we can to keep the situation under control. I know how everyone is worried and watching the news, but the important thing now is not to panic!

The city authorities ensure the functioning of the city's critical infrastructure. Infrastructure of housing and communal services.

Public transport - on routes, the subway rides. Travel is now free. But I urge to use public transport only those who work at strategic enterprises of the city. And goes to work or from work.

Everyone else - I appeal again - please stay at home. But at the alarm - follow to the shelter!

The city authorities in Kyiv are doing everything to protect the city and Kyiv.

It is for the safety of Kyivites and to counteract possible provocations that from today, at 10 pm, we will introduce a forced but necessary step in Kyiv. Curfew. Because, let me remind you, there is a state of war in Ukraine.

Curfew will be in effect from 22:00 until 07:00.

Public transport will not work during curfew.

But all subway stations - in case of alarm - are available to people at any time of day. To overcome danger.

I ask everyone to understand the seriousness of the situation and follow the rules that apply in the city today.

Due to curfew, return home on time. If it is absolutely necessary to move around the city during curfew - in particular, employees of critical infrastructure enterprises - it is necessary to have identity documents.

I would also like to remind you that we equip protective structures at the entrances to Kyiv and at checkpoints. Therefore, entering the city can be difficult. But not closed!

I will note that today there is a lot of misinformation, which is widely spread in order to sow panic. This is also part of Russia's war against Ukraine. Therefore, we trust only information from official sources!

And please do not spread information about the movement of our military and aircraft.

I also appeal to all who are ready to defend their city and their families! Join the ranks of territorial defense! Now this procedure is as simple as possible. Phones on resources, including social networks, Terro Defense and the Department of Municipal Security. Come and join. Let's defend our city together!

I want to thank the partners who support Ukraine today. They are imposing sanctions on Russia, providing Ukraine with weapons and other assistance.

Only joint and strong efforts can stop the enormous threat looming over Europe and the entire democratic world!

Thank you! Keep the shutter speed! We follow the rules dictated by the situation.

We must persevere!

Glory to Ukraine!

[Rockstar]

Latest from the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=320405730149022

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by August

I wonder how long that will be.

Putins creation does not have the structure of the old USSR or the Czarist monarchies that came before it. He's a one man cult of personality and afaik there's no heir apparent. So I think the day that he dies it all collapses with him.

Yeah, I think it would go back to the Mob, to fill the power vacuum.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Andreas86

Their track record is not good. In WW2 they aided the German occupation of Norway by allowing them transit on land up to our southern border. Germany were also allowed a free route through Sweden during the occupation years.

But if they still have some of Charles the XIIs spirit in them, they might just hold Gotland.

They could unleash Greta on them?


Jam their broadcasts with "How dare you! and Blah blah blah."

[Rockstar]

I tell ya if Ukraine pulls this off they got my vote NATO membership.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

They could unleash Greta on them?


Jam their broadcasts with "How dare you! and Blah blah blah."

Well, being forced to listen to a young woman who’s passionate about the environment would be a lot nicer than being sent to die in a foreign country by some crazy old fascist.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

I tell ya if Ukraine pulls this off they got my vote NATO membership.

I don't know, how they tell who is who? Would not want to be a pilot in this, that's for sure.

[Andreas86]

Seems that the Ukrainian Airforce has been engaged in heavy air battles:

From Censor-net:

"Today at 5 am the occupying forces launched massive missile strikes on Ukrainian cities and military facilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The Air Force was the first to take these strikes.

The air defense system of the state withstood the first blows of the enemy. The main targets of the occupiers were combat control points, radar units of the Air Force, anti-aircraft missile forces and military airfields.

The Air Force aircraft successfully escaped the enemy's blow and inflicted devastating losses on the enemy during the day, "the statement reads.

The information emphasizes: "Yes, in the air battle with Ukrainian Su-27s, the enemy lost two Su-30 SM fighters, and Su-24M bombers, Su24MR reconnaissance and Su-25 attack aircraft struck several powerful rocket and bomb strikes near Gostomel airfield. and returned without loss.

It was there, near Kyiv, that the enemy landed a Russian landing party from several dozen combat helicopters to capture a bridgehead on the outskirts of the Ukrainian capital.

"The Ukrainian Defense Forces, including aircraft, tanks and artillery, are not allowing the enemy to carry out their plan and are successfully destroying the occupiers."
"During the current day, the state air defense system destroyed about 15 enemy aircraft (information is being clarified), dozens of cruise missiles" Caliber ", as well as missiles of operational and tactical complexes" Iskander ".

Unfortunately, the Air Force suffered heavy losses. We express our condolences to the family and friends of the Ukrainian defenders who gave their lives in the fight against the insidious Russian occupier. But we have persevered and continue to fight for our freedom, for our land, for our people! ", - the message sums up.

Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the fallen heroes! Death to the occupiers! Джерело: https://censor.net/ua/n3318959

[nikimcbee]

I found this on the Ukrainian Navy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ian_Navy_ships

[Andreas86]

While US news channels debate whether russian troops really support Putin and his ideology, I'm watching webcams from Ukraine roads with endless columns of tanks, BMPs and supply trucks, many of which flying the SOVIET hammer and sickle flag...!

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Andreas86

If Europe has proved one thing in this situation, it is that they couldn't even agree on the size of a meal at McDonalds.

Yes. I also have to say i am really ashamed for the german government. They should have helped Ukraine in a meaningful way. At least there are now some who see they were wrong, but too late.

Ok no one really thought that Putin would go full out for war, especially against fellow russians. And yesterday he said, publicly:

"To anyone who would consider interfering from the outside - if you do, you will face consequences greater than any you have faced in history."

Threatening with nuclear war
I withdraw my assumption that Putin is "rational". He has either gone crazy (maybe borderline) or he realizes there will be some "problems" soon, for him.
I take it that there also might be some consequences for Russia if Putin keeps re-occupying all those countries by force, that preferred to leave the soviet block after 1989.

[Skybird]

They still havent excluded Russia from SWIFT. That means America AND europe are STILL FINANCING THE RUSSIAN ATTACK, even now.


Turkey has the right to close the Dardanelles for Russian warship.That old treaty gives them this right in certain circumstances - like now. Erdoghan still has not done so. Why?


The German finance ministre fears Putin has already established a replacement for SWIFT. He coul be right, there was news some weeks ago Putin did that, a mechanism not as far reaching as swift, but suffiecently so.



The West still acts weak and jndetermined. Hilarious. Putins calculation of western responses so far work correct.



Shame on you all, dear West.

[Catfish]

"In the end, Ukraine is nothing more than an excuse. What is really at stake here is the international order being challenged by new emerging powers, in this case, Russia.

In a way, we are beginning to see how Russia will act on the world stage in the future.
Putin believes that the United States still regards Latin America as its backyard and based on this, claims that Russia has the same right to influence Ukraine, Belarus and other nations in its surrounding area."

So, a sweeping blow? Just heard that Lavrov threatens to station 'weapon systems' near the US, talk is of Venezuela, Nicaragua, maybe Argentina, and.. Cuba.
I doubt the latter, Cuba is meanwhile ideologically separated since it is socialist and Russia capitalist.