Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[mapuc]

Maybe all of it is propaganda or maybe a part of it-However I like it when they tell me that T64 is no match for the leopard 2.

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[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Maybe all of it is propaganda or maybe a part of it-However I like it when they tell me that T64 is no match for the leopard 2.

Markus

It is not propaganda you can compare Russian tanks to western tanks most western tanks are better alone the protection of its crew tops it over any Russian tank. This is the doctrine difference Russian leaders never cared for their own people to all that love Russia please go there and experience their love towards you, bet you run from there in a day.

[Dargo]

What Ukraine Knows About the Future of War

Western military advisers are criticizing Kyiv’s war effort, but the Ukrainians have gained expertise of their own. By Phillips Payson O’Brien

If the anonymous voices quoted by U.S. news outlets in recent months are any indication, many Western military experts think that they know how to fight Ukraine’s war better than the Ukrainians do. American officials, NBC News reported last month, have “privately expressed disappointment” about how Ukraine had deployed its soldiers and believe that Kyiv’s forces “have not necessarily applied the training principles they received” from NATO militaries. Yet despite such scolding, the Ukrainians keep conducting their war their way. Despite exhortations to gather more forces in the south and try to cut through Russian lines, even if that means exposing more soldiers to enemy air attacks, Ukrainian forces—stymied by minefields—have proceeded more cautiously, conserving personnel in what could be a protracted conflict with a far more populous nation. They have opted instead to attack, using homegrown weapons systems as well as those provided by allies, Russian supply chains and command-and-control facilities deep behind the front line, while also focusing on destroying artillery closer to the fighting. Ukrainian commanders believe they understand the fundamental dynamics of the conflict far more clearly than those who have never encountered such conditions. Indeed, the longer this war goes on, the more clear it becomes that the Ukrainians have something to teach others, including the United States, about how to run military operations in the modern era.

In two recent speeches, Kathleen Hicks, the U.S. deputy secretary of defense, openly outlined how the United States might defend itself in a war with China, and the vision she described would sound familiar to Ukrainian military planners. Instead of directly butting heads with the People’s Liberation Army in a war of mass versus mass, Hicks spoke of achieving victory through ingenuity and innovation, yielding new military technologies that would be “harder to plan for, harder to hit, harder to beat.” A Pentagon plan that she described as the Replicator Initiative would produce an army of small, inexpensive, AI-enabled vehicles capable of operating in a broad range of war-fighting environments. These vehicles—Hicks described them as “all-domain attributable autonomous,” or ADA2—would protect American fighters and enhance their capabilities. If the U.S. deployed them in large numbers, these ADA2 vehicles could be unstoppable; the PLA’s tanks, missiles, ships, and other heavy military equipment would have no way to fight them all off. A major advantage of the Replicator Initiative would be that fewer American soldiers would have to be put in harm’s way against a much larger Chinese army.

Hicks was painting a tantalizing picture, in short, of the U.S. playing to its strengths and mitigating its weaknesses. In describing all this, she referred numerous times to the current war in Ukraine and to the experience that the Ukrainian army is gaining. “Imagine flocks of ADA2 systems, flying at all sorts of altitudes, doing a range of missions, building on what we’ve seen in Ukraine,” she said. “They could be deployed by larger aircraft, launched by troops on land or sea, or take off themselves.” Hicks explicitly cited Ukraine’s fight against Russia as a precedent for a U.S. conflict with the more populous People’s Republic of China. “Replicator is meant to help us overcome the PRC’s biggest advantage, which is mass,” she said. “More ships. More missiles. More people. Before Russia invaded Ukraine again in February [2022], they seemed to have that advantage.” Meanwhile, Ukraine’s creative use of military technologies has clearly had a major impact on Pentagon thinking. Taking advantage of a society that is freer, more flexible, and more open to grassroots initiative than Russia, the Ukrainians have started to develop large numbers of homegrown military systems, including simple, cheap aerial drones that can play many military roles, such as gathering intelligence over the battlefield and carrying out bombing attacks deep into Russia. Ukraine has also exploited technologies developed elsewhere. The country’s deployment of Starlink internet service, U.S.-made Switchblade drones, and commercially available image-gathering equipment shows how emerging technology “can be decisive in defending against modern military aggression,” Hicks observed. Skillful procurement offers a major battlefield advantage.

The war in Ukraine has substantially reinforced some things that the Pentagon already knew—including the long-standing American assumption that, if one side cannot gain control of the air over the area of fighting, moving heavy, expensive equipment forward will be extremely difficult. Russia’s slow-motion offensive in Bakhmut earlier this year and the current Ukrainian counteroffensive have both demonstrated this. Ukraine is trying to compensate by using a lot of drones. But progress has been difficult. The Pentagon’s interest in the Replicator Initiative may indicate some doubts—as American military planners reflect on Ukraine’s experience and try to extrapolate from it about a war against China—about whether the U.S. can reliably maintain air supremacy over a large area of fighting for a long period of time. The initiative is a plan for destroying enemy forces and denying them control over an area, rather than for, say, the rapid, armored advances that have been a staple of American combined-arms warfare since World War II. Preserving air supremacy may remain the goal of U.S. strategic policy, but that may not be achievable in reality—especially against China, given all of that country’s resources. The U.S. must plan accordingly.

Although Ukraine’s successful drone attacks hint at the potential benefits of artificially intelligent drones that can inflict damage without putting soldiers at risk, recent events have also underscored the importance of many of the traditional elements of industrial war. The Ukrainians have benefited by attacking Russia’s supply logistics and from the range, accuracy, and firing speed of Western-supplied heavy artillery. At first, the Ukrainians needed time to adjust to the demands of large-scale war. They needed—and still need—mass infusions of outside aid to keep fighting efficiently. Still, the Ukrainians have improved. They have started making more of their own heavy artillery shells. They are broadening their capabilities by using more off-the-shelf products to reduce both development and production costs.

Critics can quibble, of course, with Ukrainian commanders’ decisions about when and how to go about recovering territory occupied by Russian invaders. But for all the anonymous sniping about how Ukraine should fight like NATO, the reality is that other countries, including the superpower United States, have a great deal to learn about war from Ukraine. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...-hicks/675310/

[Skybird]

Russian SU-27 pilot released tow missiles in an attempt to shoot down an RAF recce plane. The missiles did not malfunction as was claimed, but failed to lock on.



https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-66798508

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Russian SU-27 pilot released tow missiles in an attempt to shoot down an RAF recce plane. The missiles did not malfunction as was claimed, but failed to lock on.



https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-66798508

My first thought was...Not again they(Russia) is playing with fire-Then I read the article.

Scary story

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

r I like it when they tell me that T64 is no match for the leopard 2.

Markus

If it gets in a flank shot at battlesight range - it is. From a certain close range on and below, every hit is lethal, no matter what shoots at what.



That meeting between that Leopard and the T-tanks in that video was way to close for comfort. Plus the T-tanks were not destroyed either. The Leopard gunner seem to have had the wrong round, likely a German HE, in the gun's lock, of the crew miscimmuniacted or pancicked and grabbed the wrong round. At that range, and even 2000+ meters away, a KE (SABOT) round should have turned a T-72 into minced meat even if just hitting the front of the turret, the toughest spot.

[mapuc]

^ I did not know, but when thinking about it, it sounds correct what you have said(written)

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[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Dargo

What Ukraine Knows About the Future of War

Western military advisers are criticizing Kyiv’s war effort, but the Ukrainians have gained expertise of their own. By Phillips Payson O’Brien

If the anonymous voices quoted by U.S. news outlets in recent months are any indication, many Western military experts think that they know how to fight Ukraine’s war better than the Ukrainians do. …https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...-hicks/675310/

Beware of the anonymous sources. They can hold sway over the thoughts of the gullible and simple minded.

[mapuc]

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[tonschk]

THE FINAL COUNTDOWN HAS STARTED! Former ukranian allies become now sworn enemies! Patience is OVER!

[Dargo]

ZELENSKY MEETING WITH HIS NAZI PALS, PROOF PUTIN IS JUSTIFIED TO DENAZIFY UKRAINE!

[mapuc]

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[Dargo]

As his TikTok wannabe warriors flee, the front's Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov, close to Vladimir Putin, is currently in a coma, according to the Intelligence of Ukraine (Gur). Andriy Yusov, Kyiv's intelligence spokesman, reported that Kadyrov's health condition has deteriorated significantly in recent days. However, it does not appear that his deterioration is due to traumatic events, but rather to pre-existing illnesses.

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