Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Andreas86

I wonder how Russia will respond to coming sanctions, maybe a cyber strike on Europe? They say they will reply to sanctions with "the same coin"..

It's gonna be a tik for a tac for a long time. Biden isn't gonna do what's needed sanction wise or to open markets to get gas production where it should be to bail out Europe's dependence on Russian oil. It's gonna be a long drawn out new Cold War.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by AKBBY

...the real trick now is for all parties to keep this from blowing up into a 1914 Sarajevo-style trigger to WWIII; no IMHO about it. It noteworthy that, like Stalin moving troops from the Japanese Mongolian front in WWII, Putin, now in cahoots with premier Xi, has re-deployed troops from the Russo-Sino front to the Ukrainian front...proof he's stretching thin to pull this military gambit off, including threatening the West with "retaliations never seen before' if they aßist Ukraine.

Originally Posted by Armistead

It's gonna be a tik for a tac for a long time. It's gonna be a long drawn out new Cold War.

precisely! (as if the old cold war ever really ended) <President Bill Clinton, Russian President Boris Yeltsin and Ukrainian counterpart Leonid M. Kravchuk join hands after signing the nuclear disarmament agreement in the Kremlin, Jan. 14, 1994.

Originally Posted by 2day's WSJ

As the people of Ukraine steel themselves for a Russian attack, it’s worth recalling how the U.S. persuaded the country to give up its nuclear weapons. The event was the Budapest Memorandum of 1994, in which the U.S., Great Britain and Russia offered security assurances to the nation that had won independence when the Soviet Union dissolved.
That was the halcyon post-Cold War era when history had supposedly ended. Some 1,800 nuclear weapons were on Ukrainian territory, including short-range tactical weapons and air-launched cruise missiles. The U.S. wanted fewer countries to have fewer nukes, and U.S. credibility was at its peak.
The memo begins with the U.S., U.K. and Russia noting that Ukraine had committed “to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specified period of time.” Then the three countries “confirm” a half-dozen commitments to Ukraine.
The most important was to “reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine.” They also pledged to “refrain from economic coercion” against Ukraine and to “seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine” in the event of an “act of aggression” against the country. Ukraine had returned all of the nuclear weapons to Russia by 1996.
Vladimir Putin made the Budapest Memorandum a dead letter with his first invasion of Ukraine in 2014. But the betrayal of Budapest isn’t forgotten in Kyiv, as President Volodymyr Zelensky noted bitterly in weekend remarks in Munich.

Budapest shows again the folly of trusting parchment promises in a world where autocrats think might makes right. More damaging is the message that nations give up their nuclear arsenals at their peril. That’s the lesson North Korea has learned, and Iran is following the same playbook as it connives to build the bomb even as it promises not to do so.
The inability of the U.S. to enforce its Budapest commitments will also echo in allied capitals that rely on America’s military assurances. Don’t be surprised if Japan or South Korea seek their own nuclear deterrent. If Americans want to know why they should care about Ukraine, nuclear proliferation is one reason. Betrayal has consequences, as the world seems destined to learn again the hard way.

BOTTOM Line: Putin ain't the only liar...I await the post-nuke dystopian age!

[Andreas86]

Damn close call for the person recording:


https://censor-net.translate.goog/ua..._x_tr_pto=wapp

[Rosomaha]

Susexx

Originally Posted by mapuc

I thought they were Ukrainian as Rockstar posted as an answer to my comment about what Russian viewers are being bombarded with.Markus

So it is. There the message is misleading. - this is a Ukrainian cell. Not Russian.

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

The propaganda from Putin and his state run media that Ukraine is brimming with Nazis, that's just to fantastical too believe...

Unfortunately, my friend, this is not delusional madness. Or at least not devoid of soil.

I'll just leave some photos here:











such movements are not condemned there

Of course, everyone always has propaganda, but I see Western propaganda more powerful and crazy, at times.

Politics is a dirty business. Peace of mind to all of us and peaceful communication.

[clayton]

What's the source of those photos?

[Andreas86]

Originally Posted by clayton

You are Pro-Trump from another country? And what country is that?

Never said I was pro-Trump, or pro any US politician. But we do have conservative, or what you might perhaps call "republican" values outside the US you know. Norway.

[clayton]

“Never said I was Pro-Trump. . .”
That's good.

[mapuc]

I've heard civilians has been arrested in Moscow as they try to demonstrate against the war.

Markus

[Andreas86]

Originally Posted by clayton

“Never said I was Pro-Trump. . .”
That's good.

Why? Would it matter?

[clayton]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I've heard civilians has been arrested in Moscow as they try to demonstrate against the war.

Markus

And it's those civilians who will bring about Putin’s downfall.

[clayton]

Originally Posted by Andreas86

Why? Would it matter?

Absolutely

[mapuc]

First day of the Invasion was a success we archieved what we planned - Says the Russian military

Markus

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by clayton

And it's those civilians who will bring about Putin’s downfall.

Putin just needs to follow Justin Trudeau‘s lead on how to quell dissenters .

[Skybird]

Hey, we have marching Nazis in Germany too, but that does not turn Germany into the Fourth Reich. As a matter of fact the vast majority of politicians, parties and media are left-winged over here, and the current government is formed by two left parties, and the Zeitgeist ticks very left over here.



A picture with a dozen marching Nazis does not change anything in that.



Like the Ukraine has the Azov group, Russia has the Wagner group that it uses as buccaneers and raiders, so to speak, carrying out military operations wanted by the Russian governemnt without the Russian government formally being held accountable. It is accused of many human rights violations and crimes against humanity.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I thought they were Ukrainian as Rockstar posted as an answer to my comment about what Russian viewers are being bombarded with.

Markus

Yes, I mistook Azov with Wagner for a moment, and had deleted the post after 30 seconds or so. But you already had captured me, quick little fella!


See my post above this one.