[REL] Trigger Maru Overhauled Update BH

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Mad Mardigan

Ahoy, Bubblehead...

After the last DM with ya, I decided to forgo an s class career & instead pushed forward on a career in a Sargo, the Seawolf. (SS-197) Am based out of Manilla, though it is early on in the war, got orders to patrol off the East side of Formosa to do a bit of reconnoitering around Hailein... (think I got that recalled rightly as to the name of the port city there... is in the NE quad of Formosa.) Am about 4 days out of base, headed for My patrol area... & had to do a crash dive to avoid a Betty bomber.

Loving the set up...thanks for the hard work & effort you put into it.

M. M.

Oh man did not mean to warn you off the S-Class lol but was just saying its tougher now, they are no longer the tanks (and cant dive as deep as they used to) they used to be in the sim lol.


Nice. I just start my second patrol in the mod, with a Salmon Class (USS Seal-183) out of the Asiatic Fleet, first patrol was out of Manila. Supposed to start at Cavite but guess I never added the start there, will change it with the forthcoming patch.


Those crash dives when a plane is 5 NM or less, since are without SD radar make for some tender moments eh?

Glad you are enjoying the mod.

[Mad Mardigan]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Oh man did not mean to warn you off the S-Class lol but was just saying its tougher now, they are no longer the tanks (and cant dive as deep as they used to) they used to be in the sim lol.


Nice. I just start my second patrol in the mod, with a Salmon Class (USS Seal-183) out of the Asiatic Fleet, first patrol was out of Manila. Supposed to start at Cavite but guess I never added the start there, will change it with the forthcoming patch.


Those crash dives when a plane is 5 NM or less, since are without SD radar make for some tender moments eh?

Glad you are enjoying the mod.

Naww... you misunderstood... My saying forgo was in the essence of putting that career on hold, whilst I look to scope out a career in a bit better boat.

Still have the S class career...

M. M.

[Berserker]

Have the awards and medals been corrected?? Not getting a Navy cross for everything??

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Berserker

Have the awards and medals been corrected?? Not getting a Navy cross for everything??

The Better Medals Fix for TMO was incorporated into the the update. Awards are better, but are still wonky, one day I want to sit down and really devote time to correcting them. I have an idea after looking at things and talking with others. Bring back to the MOH for really big feats if possible. Navy cross. Substitute many of the lesser medals for submarine combat pins (often more coveted than medals by WW II submariners) for player and his crew members. Will need someone to do the graphics for the pin

[Revus]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Thank you, glad are enjoying it.

Nice. Always interesting "running the gauntlet" through straits that are patrolled. Wait until they have radar or you are running through something like Lombok Strait or a place cant dive (mines) like La Perouse lol Makes me tense up and I designed the bloody thing( the patrols) Most of them are random enough, they don't act the same twice, keeps it interesting.


Curious, what assigned area are you en route to ?

COMSUBPAC ordered us to patrol Area 8, south of Bungo Suido for 5 days. Nothing found during that period except for a few fishing junks.


Got subsequent orders to move to Area 8. Once there was told to find 'em and sink 'em. Thats when I headed through the strait with intentions of trawling off the Kagoshima bay entrance. Few subchasers, a small DE, and an H8K or two out there, but no shipping. Avoided the patrols submerged by day, on the surface at night. One night, thought I was detected at about 7000 yards but outran it, leaving her ziging around searching.

Decided to act on my own now, in search of big fish out in Convoy College. Ill be there in a few days game time.



Another cool add, actually having Sofu Gan out there is a cool surprise. Felt like i was finding the Dutchman again.

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

The Better Medals Fix for TMO was incorporated into the the update. Awards are better, but are still wonky, one day I want to sit down and really devote time to correcting them. I have an idea after looking at things and talking with others. Bring back to the MOH for really big feats if possible. Navy cross. Substitute many of the lesser medals for submarine combat pins (often more coveted than medals by WW II submariners) for player and his crew members. Will need someone to do the graphics for the pin

I'd just add the MOH for the big feats (like you said) and drop the campaign medal (participation trophy*).

*No disrespect. I had a grandfather and great uncle who received them - but they weren't 'valor' medals.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Revus

COMSUBPAC ordered us to patrol Area 8, south of Bungo Suido for 5 days. Nothing found during that period except for a few fishing junks.


Got subsequent orders to move to Area 8. Once there was told to find 'em and sink 'em. Thats when I headed through the strait with intentions of trawling off the Kagoshima bay entrance. Few subchasers, a small DE, and an H8K or two out there, but no shipping. Avoided the patrols submerged by day, on the surface at night. One night, thought I was detected at about 7000 yards but outran it, leaving her ziging around searching.

Decided to act on my own now, in search of big fish out in Convoy College. Ill be there in a few days game time.



Another cool add, actually having Sofu Gan out there is a cool surprise. Felt like i was finding the Dutchman again.

That is surprising, Area 8 is a pretty busy area for most of the war, Singapore-Home Islands and several other convoys lanes converge there for approaches to Bungo Suido. You are in January 1943 if I recall? Checked the file, yea a lot of traffic but judging from your description, probably were not far enough out to sea. Should definitely have better luck in Luzon Strait.


I probably need to do an intel file (README) with coordinates of shipping lanes. In future patch will adjust the patrol are marker to the proper location, the current one is the default TMO marker.

[Bubblehead1980]

Torpedo Fix for the TMO 2.5 Update. Check out the README


https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...d.php?t=250672

[Revus]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

That is surprising, Area 8 is a pretty busy area for most of the war, Singapore-Home Islands and several other convoys lanes converge there for approaches to Bungo Suido. You are in January 1943 if I recall? Checked the file, yea a lot of traffic but judging from your description, probably were not far enough out to sea. Should definitely have better luck in Luzon Strait.


I probably need to do an intel file (README) with coordinates of shipping lanes. In future patch will adjust the patrol are marker to the proper location, the current one is the default TMO marker.

It might be that I patrolled alot along the "suspected" shipping lanes from Tokyo or Osaka toward Luzon, and almost no time near the coast. Been trying to stay away from those minefields you made haha

[Mad Mardigan]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

That is surprising, Area 8 is a pretty busy area for most of the war, Singapore-Home Islands and several other convoys lanes converge there for approaches to Bungo Suido. You are in January 1943 if I recall? Checked the file, yea a lot of traffic but judging from your description, probably were not far enough out to sea. Should definitely have better luck in Luzon Strait.


I probably need to do an intel file (README) with coordinates of shipping lanes. In future patch will adjust the patrol are marker to the proper location, the current one is the default TMO marker.

Ahoy, Bubblehead1980...

Just a side note report...

For setting up, I did go with having vickers03's interior mod added in.. & it worked fine, though... it did have 1 issue. Got to the patrol area for Seawolf that I was given.

In hat, I ran into a merchie... can't recall the name of that ship, a B?* Maru ship, I'll see if I can take a look through the rec man & find the exact name for that ship... to pin it down definitively.

The issue was... shot 4 torps at it... & all of them, ran right through it... as if the ship was.. casper the ghost. I did manage to sink it, though I had to do so with the DG.

1 thing I did notice, was that I had a nearly moonless night & was able to get within 1500 from it & never got sighted. NOT until I lit it up with the DG.

Have to say, I am loving the ability to get in close to attack....

The reason I added vickers mod in, was owing to clicking on the door leading from the control room leading forward into the bow area & instead of seeing a U.S. interior, I saw instead... a Uboat radio/sonar/kaleun's bed area....

The vickers mod I used was the last 1 that vickers released... though earmarked for FotRS-U v1.46,, it did work with your mod set up... outside of that lil' snafu with the torp's, that is... No idea if or how many other ships in your set up, may also have had that... snafu that I ran into on that 1 ship, though.

I closed out & took it out, (Yes, I did follow protocol & dumped the game save folder... edited it to weed out the old info while retaining the settings to keep the main settings in regards to the middle options on the main page so as to NOT have to reset them. That also applies to clearing out the top 2 folders & the config settings for JSGME in the mods folder, as well.) thereby having to restart My careers in the S class & Sargo boats... but, a small price to pay.

Knowing this info, may assist you or another, in reworking vickers mod to be able to be integrated into your mod set up....

Thought you might want to know that info... an so, am passing it along.

M. M.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Mad Mardigan

Ahoy, Bubblehead1980...

Just a side note report...

For setting up, I did go with having vickers03's interior mod added in.. & it worked fine, though... it did have 1 issue. Got to the patrol area for Seawolf that I was given.

In hat, I ran into a merchie... can't recall the name of that ship, a B?* Maru ship, I'll see if I can take a look through the rec man & find the exact name for that ship... to pin it down definitively.

The issue was... shot 4 torps at it... & all of them, ran right through it... as if the ship was.. casper the ghost. I did manage to sink it, though I had to do so with the DG.

1 thing I did notice, was that I had a nearly moonless night & was able to get within 1500 from it & never got sighted. NOT until I lit it up with the DG.

Have to say, I am loving the ability to get in close to attack....

The reason I added vickers mod in, was owing to clicking on the door leading from the control room leading forward into the bow area & instead of seeing a U.S. interior, I saw instead... a Uboat radio/sonar/kaleun's bed area....

The vickers mod I used was the last 1 that vickers released... though earmarked for FotRS-U v1.46,, it did work with your mod set up... outside of that lil' snafu with the torp's, that is... No idea if or how many other ships in your set up, may also have had that... snafu that I ran into on that 1 ship, though.

I closed out & took it out, (Yes, I did follow protocol & dumped the game save folder... edited it to weed out the old info while retaining the settings to keep the main settings in regards to the middle options on the main page so as to NOT have to reset them. That also applies to clearing out the top 2 folders & the config settings for JSGME in the mods folder, as well.) thereby having to restart My careers in the S class & Sargo boats... but, a small price to pay.

Knowing this info, may assist you or another, in reworking vickers mod to be able to be integrated into your mod set up....

Thought you might want to know that info... an so, am passing it along.

M. M.

Hmm strange, never had that issue and sunk every merchant on the roster at least once in testing. yes please track down the name of the merchant, give date, time, location, type of torpedo? . Biyo Maru? Banzai Maru? Heavy seas? Are you positive they ran through it or did the torpedoes run deep and appear to run through it with the wake heavy seas ? Torpedoes do run deep until mid 1943, with the worst of the issue from Dec 41-Dec 42, one of real life defects of MK 14 (and some other torpedoes) in first part of the war.


Are you running an environmental mod?

Not sure why the interior mod would cause it, but it is possible since I am sure it overwrites things with TMO 2.5.

I tried to use it with TMO 2.5 once and caused CTD but ran fine for me when ran FOTRS.

The "Captains Cabin" you saw in your boat was part of vickers original interior overhauls for TMO that were incorporated into TMO by Ducimus when he was active.Believe the cabin was added as Kind of a stop gap measure, obviously taken from a Uboat. Currently, it is only present on the older boats. The Gato/Balao/Tench/Tambor/Gar no longer have that since they have the 3D TDC and Realistic Radar. I mam guessing compatibility issues.


Far as the attack...glad to it worked as designed for you. Now in the sim, much as in real life, first indication to enemy ships they are under submarine attack is usually once they've already opened fire, especially at night. Subs are tough to spot on surface. Of course they see the muzzle flash etc

I'd be careful getting so close in deck gun action though, the skill level of the unescorted merchants is generally set pretty high, are many elite and veteran rated crews out there and they will shoot your boat full of holes.

[Mad Mardigan]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Hmm strange, never had that issue and sunk every merchant on the roster at least once in testing. yes please track down the name of the merchant, give date, time, location, type of torpedo? . Biyo Maru? Banzai Maru? Heavy seas? Are you positive they ran through it or did the torpedoes run deep and appear to run through it with the wake heavy seas ? Torpedoes do run deep until mid 1943, with the worst of the issue from Dec 41-Dec 42, one of real life defects of MK 14 (and some other torpedoes) in first part of the war.

Biyo Maru, rough guess on the date was like.. 12/13/41, maybe the 14th... was after sailing time to get in the general area to do that photo recon objective I got @ Hailein, Formosa. As for sea state... was relatively calm, just some light swells. Oh, yeah.. am most definitely positive... they caspered right though it. (have the cam next/previous, reactivated owing to I like the ability so as to do screen shots...) & was considering doing a screenie of My 1st kill. So I watched it at close in range & saw it do so. Those 2, ran straight hot & normal... except for augering through with no detonation. Got later on "torp" missed" action report on them. I ran into that issue with FotRS-U (don't recall the specifics, exactly... only to recall that happened when I ran the torp attack mission in the school section... torps sailed right through that cruiser you're supposed to sink to complete that school mission... & that occurrence, was some time back... think like, pre v1.39 or early on v1.46 FotRS-U somewhere along that time frame... if My ol' rusty, dusty banged up HD of a brain is recalling the details rightly. ) Torp, was the only 1's on board before I sailed... Mk XIV's... On a side note... have deactivated & replaced the early on tnt mod with the updated version... before ya ask if I have or not...

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Are you running an environmental mod?

Not sure why the interior mod would cause it, but it is possible since I am sure it overwrites things with TMO 2.5.

I tried to use it with TMO 2.5 once and caused CTD but ran fine for me when ran FOTRS.

Nope... stock enviro that is with the set up... which looks fab, to be frank... Only complaint I have is... on the waves action... would be swell if it was doable to utilize the methods that 1 Alex has in their SH3 GWX set up... those waves look killer realistic that I felt I had to grab some dramamine pills... they are that good...

besides the interiors it does include a subs folder, with each of the U.S. boats in there... & likely includes a eqp. file an most likely a .dat or .sim file I'd think of course, won't know fo shure until looking... will take a peek inside & see what's what in there...

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

The "Captains Cabin" you saw in your boat was part of vickers original interior overhauls for TMO that were incorporated into TMO by Ducimus when he was active.Believe the cabin was added as Kind of a stop gap measure, obviously taken from a Uboat. Currently, it is only present on the older boats. The Gato/Balao/Tench/Tambor/Gar no longer have that since they have the 3D TDC and Realistic Radar. I mam guessing compatibility issues.

Yeah, think that area is only up to Sargo... I would check the other boats past the Sargo in the school.. but is only the choice of using the Porpoise class boat in there...

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Far as the attack...glad to it worked as designed for you. Now in the sim, much as in real life, first indication to enemy ships they are under submarine attack is usually once they've already opened fire, especially at night. Subs are tough to spot on surface. Of course they see the muzzle flash etc

I'd be careful getting so close in deck gun action though, the skill level of the unescorted merchants is generally set pretty high, are many elite and veteran rated crews out there and they will shoot your boat full of holes.

With that bird, aka merchie... being as it was early on at the near start of hostilities... they were unarmed... but, your point is well taken... I do always check to see if they are armed or not, before I take to DG action... & most assurely NEVER with a war ship/s.... except if I know that I may (sic) die in game... then all bets are off... I'll go down fighting... Farragut style... Full speed ahead... D**n the torpedo's...
M. M.



post edit :

Ok, after doing a bit of... poking about, in the guts of vickers03's interior mod...

In the "library' folder, there are a couple of files there... that may have a bearing on the damages taken or not by other ships... maybe... jus' guessing here...

GraphHitPointsAll.dat

That as I am guessing, may be the cause of it... maybe... *shrugs* no idea, as I have no means, much less knowledge of .dat files...

Am more... knowledgeable where it pertains to .cfg & the like that work with using notepad to dink about there...

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Mad Mardigan

Biyo Maru, rough guess on the date was like.. 12/13/41, maybe the 14th... was after sailing time to get in the general area to do that photo recon objective I got @ Hailein, Formosa. As for sea state... was relatively calm, just some light swells. Oh, yeah.. am most definitely positive... they caspered right though it. (have the cam next/previous, reactivated owing to I like the ability so as to do screen shots...) & was considering doing a screenie of My 1st kill. So I watched it at close in range & saw it do so. Those 2, ran straight hot & normal... except for augering through with no detonation. Got later on "torp" missed" action report on them. I ran into that issue with FotRS-U (don't recall the specifics, exactly... only to recall that happened when I ran the torp attack mission in the school section... torps sailed right through that cruiser you're supposed to sink to complete that school mission... & that occurrence, was some time back... think like, pre v1.39 or early on v1.46 FotRS-U somewhere along that time frame... if My ol' rusty, dusty banged up HD of a brain is recalling the details rightly. ) Torp, was the only 1's on board before I sailed... Mk XIV's... On a side note... have deactivated & replaced the early on tnt mod with the updated version... before ya ask if I have or not...



Nope... stock enviro that is with the set up... which looks fab, to be frank... Only complaint I have is... on the waves action... would be swell if it was doable to utilize the methods that 1 Alex has in their SH3 GWX set up... those waves look killer realistic that I felt I had to grab some dramamine pills... they are that good...

besides the interiors it does include a subs folder, with each of the U.S. boats in there... & likely includes a eqp. file an most likely a .dat or .sim file I'd think of course, won't know fo shure until looking... will take a peek inside & see what's what in there...


Yeah, think that area is only up to Sargo... I would check the other boats past the Sargo in the school.. but is only the choice of using the Porpoise class boat in there...



With that bird, aka merchie... being as it was early on at the near start of hostilities... they were unarmed... but, your point is well taken... I do always check to see if they are armed or not, before I take to DG action... & most assurely NEVER with a war ship/s.... except if I know that I may (sic) die in game... then all bets are off... I'll go down fighting... Farragut style... Full speed ahead... D**n the torpedo's...
M. M.



post edit :

Ok, after doing a bit of... poking about, in the guts of vickers03's interior mod...

In the "library' folder, there are a couple of files there... that may have a bearing on the damages taken or not by other ships... maybe... jus' guessing here...

GraphHitPointsAll.dat

That as I am guessing, may be the cause of it... maybe... *shrugs* no idea, as I have no means, much less knowledge of .dat files...

Am more... knowledgeable where it pertains to .cfg & the like that work with using notepad to dink about there...

I DM'd you about the issue to make sure you saw my response. Yes, I did testing in single mission and the campaign(did a quick edit to a "test" version of the mod I keep on hand. I knew where to find a BIYO MARU) and no such issues on my end. Biyo is a native SH 4 ship (believe it was the old split freighter) and renamed BIYO MARU in TMO. I kept most of the native TMO "maru" names (although I plan to rename them all at some point)

I could test with vickers interior mods another time, just had time earlier today to run that test. Based on what you have told me and looking over the files, I believe running the non-compatible interior mods caused the issue. As I mentioned in the README , use caution when using mods outside of those prescribed, overwrites can "break" then mod.

Plus side, vickers has said the TMO versions of his interior mods are in the works, so we will have the glory of other compartments at some point. In injunction with this update and the future updates I plan, hope it will really elevate TMO.

[Mad Mardigan]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I DM'd you about the issue to make sure you saw my response. Yes, I did testing in single mission and the campaign(did a quick edit to a "test" version of the mod I keep on hand. I knew where to find a BIYO MARU) and no such issues on my end. Biyo is a native SH 4 ship (believe it was the old split freighter) and renamed BIYO MARU in TMO. I kept most of the native TMO "maru" names (although I plan to rename them all at some point)

I could test with vickers interior mods another time, just had time earlier today to run that test. Based on what you have told me and looking over the files, I believe running the non-compatible interior mods caused the issue. As I mentioned in the README , use caution when using mods outside of those prescribed, overwrites can "break" then mod.

Plus side, vickers has said the TMO versions of his interior mods are in the works, so we will have the glory of other compartments at some point. In injunction with this update and the future updates I plan, hope it will really elevate TMO.

Ahoy, Bubblehead1980...

Aye, got the DM & read it...

Yeah... took a shot at using it (vickers Interior mod, though slated for FotRS-U, (which is based off an earlier on version of TMO...) figured... what the hey...) Maybe, just maybe... it might work as is without too much hassle...

Have to say it was looking good, until I ran into that torp issue. *sighs* Ahh well, not a real big issue, wasn't terribly too invested in that career any way. So, no real big loss there. *shrug* was worth a shot.

Do have to say, outside of that, it did look fab, though...

Will eagerly look forward to a TMO based compatible copy of the Interiors mod.

I am, using vickers original no rust version of the 4K skins mod, along with the battle flags mods (just the conning tower portion of it, with the kill flags for now... when I get some kills, that is. won't go with the Interior battle flag portion of it until the updated Intriors mod for TMO is out...) & believe with those, are safe to use with your TMOverhauled v2.5 set up... as they're basically... eye candy.

M. M.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Revus

It might be that I patrolled alot along the "suspected" shipping lanes from Tokyo or Osaka toward Luzon, and almost no time near the coast. Been trying to stay away from those minefields you made haha

Ah yes, at that point in the war, while will find targets near coast, especially the loners, the traffic lanes with convoys and the big targets further out to sea at that point in the war.

I recall being in the Bungo-Palau lanes (which pass through Area 8 as well) in area "Vestible" in the Phillippine Sea once (testing traffic) and was in patrol area for 29 days, with no contacts but occasional long range patrol plane lol Calculated with fuel had maybe two days of patrol left before had to head for Midway. Shift patrol to west again a little and boom, found a Southbound convoy. Multiple attacks over next 48 hours, sunk four merchants and an escort. Boat was banged up, but was heading home. Then ran into a northbound convoy, another running battle over 36 hours, sunk two big tankers in night surface attack, which were loaded with fuel judging way they blew up after one torpedo hit. Raced away but had to dive since the e escort was a full sized destroyer, could easily overtake my boat. Depth charged boat for 12 hours. Surfaced and made it to Midway with 2 percent fuel remaining lol. That was a an interesting patrol, hours of boredom, wondering if I screwed something up with the traffic I added lol then boom. It's a huge ocean out there , not easy to always find targets.


lol yes the minefields, good idea to stay away. I stumbled into once in 1945 down around one of the straits in Flores/Soembawa Islands, lucky I did not hit a mine, had to blow a few up with guns(which is a lot of fun by the way lol) to safely get clear. Let me know if you encounter any, hopefully you will see them first.