2016 US Presidential election thread

[August]

Originally Posted by Torplexed

After that I need some David Bowie to cleanse my mind.


I've been wondering for a while about Trump and why he's in this race. I believe that Trump loves closing deals. He loves winning. He loves the thrill of the chase. I believe, however, that he hates the nitty-gritty of running a business. When he sets up every new business, he puts someone else in charge of it. He doesn't like the actual work. That's for other people. He closes the deal, and hands that sucker off, and moves on to the next deal.

He wants to win the election. It's genuine. It's the ultimate prize. President!

I don't think he's fully realized yet that if he wins this one, he can't just hand it off to someone else to run. He can delegate a lot, but still has to be present every single day.

So I can see Trump eventually walking away from the job. Not under a scandal. Not from being impeached. Just because he got tired of having to work every day. His running mate will be important. After all, Bush let Cheney run it.

I think this is a very wise assessment of the man. Part of me still thinks he's a Klintonista stalking horse though.

[Onkel Neal]

Rand Paul drops out, ruining my drop pick
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/breaking-...tial-campaign/

[Oberon]

who knows????????????????

maybe cruz could actually win the nomination? I still think its 70/30 it trumps favor but the democrat side is more interesting in me making up my mind.,

cruz can beat the socialist sanders but im not sure if he can beat Hillary and he may have trouble even getting a slim win over sanders only as independents vote against sanders rather then "for" cruz. and he wants to repeal obama care rather then just tinker with it around the edges as others do.

I think trump can beat both sanders or Hillary but, he isn't all that conservative and will likely not support or sign any conservative legislation that goes to his desk as president, namely repealing Obama care. even though he can fix the tax situation, put smart people in charge of things they know and get rid of political hacks in jobs just because they are donors, but he likes Obama care which makes me want to throw up and NOT vote for him for that reason alone.

I like the majority of cruz's thinking on issues, mainly because he is a true conservative, but trump is more capable to do the things that need doing even though he is a moderate liberal that I disagree with most of his views on things.

my dream come true, would be Cruz as president and have Donald trump on the transitioning team where he is put in charge of fixing the tax codes, evaluating peoples ability to do the jobs they hold in government and putting the right people in those positions, and negotiating a closed border with fence with mexico so no one comes in unless its done legally.

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Rand Paul drops out, ruining my drop pick
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/breaking-...tial-campaign/

That is why I am waiting before making my pick.

Rubio is moving, Sen. Scott endorsed him and now Sen. Toomey will, but he has a way to go to catch Trump.

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

That is why I am waiting before making my pick.

Rubio is moving, Sen. Scott endorsed him and now Sen. Toomey will, but he has a way to go to catch Trump.

my dislike of Rubio is he is just like most republicans in congress today, a rhino republican who supports more illegal immigration not less and he thinks we don't have an illegal immigration problem.

that said, he is still in it and the entire war machine of the republican party will now work hard top get this rhino elected as the only viable non conservative candidate and then he will lose just as rhino McCain and rhino Romney did

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

That is why I am waiting before making my pick.

Rubio is moving, Sen. Scott endorsed him and now Sen. Toomey will, but he has a way to go to catch Trump.

Yeah, that would have been smart of me but I wanted to be BOLD!

[AVGWarhawk]

Of the three:
Rubio
Trump
Cruz

Only one do I think sticks to his convictions(although some a bit crazy) with vim and viger. That would be Cruz. For me, Trump still seems to be a PR stunt. Rubio looks like he would fold like a pup tent.

Sanders has me concerned. The slogan this go around is not, "Yes We Can." The new slogan is, "Free."

[vienna]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Highly unlikely a remake of Boys From Brazil will occur if Trump wins the WH.

"Yes, I agree, not a chance..."...

Dr. Josef Mengele: You are a clever boy. Are you not? You do not well at school, but it's because you are too clever. Too busy, thinking your own thoughts. But you are much smarter than your teachers, hah?

Bobby Wheelock: My teachers are nowhere.

Dr. Josef Mengele: You are going to be the world's greatest photographer, are you not? Have you ever felt superior to those around you? Like a prince among peasants?

Bobby Wheelock: I feel different from everyone sometimes.

Dr. Josef Mengele: You are infinite different. Infinite superior. You are born of the noblest blood in the world.

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[mapuc]

I can only blame on my ignorance or my little if not huge unknowing for how this type of election is done.

I thought until a Sunday afternoon that a citizen in Ohio, who was registered went down to his or her "area" and placed his or her vote" and later people counted these votes to see who had won among the Democrats and the Republicans.

If understand correctly a person who has voted goes to a designated area to show which candidate he or she has voted on. He said a lot more about this voting system

Markus

Originally Posted by mapuc

I can only blame on my ignorance or my little if not huge unknowing for how this type of election is done.

I thought until a Sunday afternoon that a citizen in Ohio, who was registered went down to his or her "area" and placed his or her vote" and later people counted these votes to see who had won among the Democrats and the Republicans.

If understand correctly a person who has voted goes to a designated area to show which candidate he or she has voted on. He said a lot more about this voting system

Markus

in most "normal" states you are correct but caucuses such as they do it in iowa it is very weird in the way they work. I think someone was on drugs when they decided caucuses were the best way to pick candidates.

I am not fully aware of all the intricate processes involved but the short version is the voters gather in stadium like or town hall buildings and then anyone can get up and speak (caucus) on behalf of their choice. at the end of a selected amount of time where everyone who wishes can speak, they all take a vote and whoever comes out on top in that one caucus hall carries only one vote for one candidate. in iowa there are 99 of these districts so there are 99 possible wins and each win carries the number of voters who voted in that caucus.

so in short if your choice lost, your vote is given to the winner you did not choose as you candidate

democrats can also falsely register as republican as late as the very day of caucus just to manipulate who wins the republican caucus just to manipulate the process and to help their democrat choice face a weaker candidate in the general election. they can then reregister as democrat and go vote in the democrat general election.

[Oberon]

Out of the pram come the toys:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35486983

And I see that Sanatorium has dropped out as well.

[STEED]

Only one man can save America...Ace Rimmer.

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Webster

in most "normal" states you are correct but caucuses such as they do it in iowa it is very weird in the way they work. I think someone was on drugs when they decided caucuses were the best way to pick candidates.

I am not fully aware of all the intricate processes involved but the short version is the voters gather in stadium like or town hall buildings and then anyone can get up and speak (caucus) on behalf of their choice. at the end of a selected amount of time where everyone who wishes can speak, they all take a vote and whoever comes out on top in that one caucus hall carries only one vote for one candidate. in iowa there are 99 of these districts so there are 99 possible wins and each win carries the number of voters who voted in that caucus.

so in short if your choice lost, your vote is given to the winner you did not choose as you candidate

democrats can also falsely register as republican as late as the very day of caucus just to manipulate who wins the republican caucus just to manipulate the process and to help their democrat choice face a weaker candidate in the general election. they can then reregister as democrat and go vote in the democrat general election.

The caucus system is a remnant of the days when there were many more smaller cities and towns and the ability to all get together and vote in a single place was more difficult. It's sort of like those old western movies where all the folks in town get together at the saloon, schoolhouse, or church and pick some one to be their representative at the territorial or state capital. Although almost all states have progressed beyond that sort of "down home", cracker barrel, level of handling elections, there are still a few holdouts, here and there, mostly in rather conservative, mainly rural areas. Many states have party conventions within their own borders to determine, by party, who will be their delegates at the national party conventions. Some states use the primaries as a wind vane as to who their delegates will be voting for at the national party conventions. It really is a mixed bag, and honestly, outside of the media attention, the primaries ultimately have less import on the national conventions than many people believe; it has happened where a candidate with a strong primary showing has been cast aside for some one else after some backroom (the classic "smoke filled room") dealing by power brokers who may not even be delegates at the convention or selected at all by their state party apparatus. Remember, the primaries/caucuses are not mandated by The US Constitution or Federal law; they are whole a creation of, and administered by the individual parties. At best, the primaries are just a litmus test for the parties to see what they can or cannot get away with on various issues; at worst, they are a monumental waste of time resulting in the factionalizing and fracturing of a particular party. The primary system might be more meaningful if it were more consistent and standardized across all the states. For some states, the influence of their primaries is diluted due to their elections or caucuses being held much later in the year than other states; there are some states where state law commands their primaries be among the first, if not the first. As it is, some of the most populous or economically influential states don't even start voting until about a dozen lesser states have their elections, causing a skewed data set when analyzing the elections and their effects on the overall national party policies. Here are a few links to better explain:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...ential_primary

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democr...rimaries,_2016

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republ...rimaries,_2016

Regarding the possibility of Democrats posing as Republicans in order to influence the vote, be informed and assured Republicans have done the same to influence Democratic votes. The brush is broad and paints all equally; I know for a fact the practice is bipartisan after having worked on a campaign for a GOP political advisory and campaign management firm. I am sure what I saw is equally used by all the parties and, believe me, what I saw would surprise a lot of you. It is one of the reasons I am an independent...


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[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I can only blame on my ignorance or my little if not huge unknowing for how this type of election is done.

I thought until a Sunday afternoon that a citizen in Ohio, who was registered went down to his or her "area" and placed his or her vote" and later people counted these votes to see who had won among the Democrats and the Republicans.

If understand correctly a person who has voted goes to a designated area to show which candidate he or she has voted on. He said a lot more about this voting system

Markus

Iowa, not Ohio.

Originally Posted by Oberon

Out of the pram come the toys:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35486983

And I see that Sanatorium has dropped out as well.

He may be correct, there is something fishy about the Cruz victory....